Ok. The U.S. Judicial System Sucks. I Admit It.

[SlowwHand]

Yeah rah, I know; and eagles may soar but ferrets don't get sucked into jet engines.

[Capt Dizle]

Slowwhand, since Fastow is out on bail and you feel so strongly about him, why don't you just go and kill him.

Otherwise, just cease your whine.

We will be here defending your right to a fair trial and speey execution.

[rah]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Yeah rah, I know; and eagles may soar but ferrets don't get sucked into jet engines.

Not sure if I should feel insulted or complimented that ferrets aren't dumb enough to be sucked into jet engines.

Your initial rage seems to come from that he was able to pay his bail and most common criminals can't. First, most common criminals aren't assessed bail of FIVE MILLION dollars, so the judge was trying to show him just how special he was. Second there is a whole side business for BAIL BOND LOANS. Unless the person is a REAL REAL BAD scum bag, it is quite easy to get a bail bond loan, and MOST common criminals are eventually released on bond. So, I don't really see what your problem with this is. Actually you should be happy the the judge set the bail so high to make a point of their disgust.

RAH

[SlowwHand]

I find it pathetic that people make jokes about some group of guys who have literally ruined so many people.
You like him so much, go bail him out, Jimmy.
That way he doesn't have to use their money.

[SlowwHand]

And Rah,
Part of the judicial system sucking is that it was all too willing to take the standard 10% of the investor's and worker's money.
Did you read that part, or just come running when Ming called ?

[rah]

Yeah, like Ming needs my help arguing this.

No, I was responding to your second post in the thread that struck me odd, but I was busy in meetings this morning to respond.

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Exactly.
Them that's gots it, by whatever method, keeps it; those that don't, can rot.

Filthy freaking orange thief.

And just pointing out that very few actually rot. Most common criminals make bail. Most prostitutes' bail is paid by their pimp. Wonder where that money came from There are many other similar examples that I won't bore you with them. It's really no different in this case except for the size of the bail.

I hope they get this guy big time, but I'll leave that up to a judge and jury, since this is America and not Iraq.

RAH

[SlowwHand]

The main differences being that the "john" got what he paid for and the investors/employees didn't ,that hookers should in fact be illegal, and the thief the thread is about will really do any real "time".
Your analogy is flawed.
I'm dropping it, as I'm surrounded by white collar thief sympathizers.

[Ming]

Originally posted by SlowwHand I'm dropping it, as I'm surrounded by white collar thief sympathizers.

Again slow... WHERE DO ANY OF US SAY THAT THE GUY IS INNOCENT...

Please feel free to quote anybody that thinks the guy isn't guilty or doesn't deserve a strong sentence.

So stop this white collar thief sympathizer crap... you aren't making any sense.

The only difference here is that you seem to just want him to be declared guilty without a trial.

And the rest of us are willing to wait until a trial proves him guilty. Because that's the way it works in this county.

[SlowwHand]

Wrong. What I don't want is for the s.o.b. to use his ill-gotten gains to make bail.
So he sits in county a while, big damned deal.
He'll be out soon enough, stealing again, assuming he doesn't get to go to a country club.
It's all the same. People still ruined.

Not even addressing the precedent this sets.
He's not the only one from Enron, nor is Enron the only company caught, emphasis caught here, cheating and ruining people.

But let's worry about serious things instead.
Hookers and funny avatars and crap like that.

[Ming]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Wrong. What I don't want is for the s.o.b. to use his ill-gotten gains to make bail.
So he sits in county a while, big damned deal.
He'll be out soon enough, stealing again, assuming he doesn't get to go to a country club.
It's all the same. People still ruined.

First... no matter how angry you are, it doesn't change the fact that the his ill gotten gains from Enron don't make up is entire net worth. He has far more money than that, and while you might want to think that every penny he has ever made has been done so illegally, it is not the case.

Second... you have no clue what the outcome of his trial will be. As I stated before, and truely believe, he is going to get screwed big time, as he deserves. The justice department wants to make a statement that this type of activity can not continue. If they give him a short sentence at a country club type prison, it won't send the message that is needed. So I look forward to him receiving one of the longest and harshest penalities ever seen before for white collar crime.

And if and when he is proven guilty, that will open the door for strong civil actions to be taken against him and the other officers of Enron by people who were robbed of their money.

[rah]

You never know. If he's found guilty, you can bet the lawyers will start circling for possible CIVIL suits. They seem very popular these days , and maybe some of those people hurt will have a chance to get some of their money back.


(cross post with ming, I guess we do think alike )

[SlowwHand]

I can't believe I'm even going to say this, but where is Che when I need him?

[David Floyd]

What I don't want is for the s.o.b. to use his ill-gotten gains to make bail.

Then what would be your proposed solution? Would you deny him bail, end of story, would you seize all his assets prior to a trial on the basis that they SEEM to be ill-gained, or what? I can sympathize with your feeling that you don't like him using money that you believe is stolen, I'm just curious as to what your method would be to prevent that.

[SlowwHand]

Yes, David. I said that.

[David Floyd]

Then it that case, are you in favor of abandoning the system of "innocent until proven guilty"?

A simple yes or no will do.