Mass Protest in UK Against 'Bombers' Blair and Bush

[Giancarlo]

Sorry. I blew my temper. I am tired of people posting misconceptions of the other side. Enough! Basta Ya

Flattery?

[Lincoln]

I think that Osama was seen in the protests waving the peace symbol but this is not yet confirmed...

[Giancarlo]

A couple of people carrying explosives were caught waving peace signs. Oh the irony!

[Boris Godunov]

Ned, you're so full of it.

So, we can assume, by your logic, the right's refusal to condemn Mugabe means they support his policies? Speaking of anti-Israel, how about our Republican's president coddling of virulently anti-semitic regimes, like those in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?

If you assert that removing Hussein is a moral issue, then you make Bush and those who support such a policy incredible hypocrites because they aren't out ridding the world of all evil. In fact, Bush campaigned on the very idea that America should NOT be out policing the world and participating in the very moral crusades you seem to think they are embarking upon.

And it was the LEFT that first brought the monstrous acts of the Taliban to the world's attention. Did the right act on any sort of moral obligation to protect the Afghanistani people then? No. So don't give me any of that moral high ground crap. It's political and you know it.

[Giancarlo]

And it was the LEFT that first brought the monstrous acts of the Taliban to the world's attention.

It was?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Fez
I am sick and tired of the damn bias on this forum. They claim to the tolerant ones but once somebody else tries to voice their opinion they are thrown out in the garbage with comments like these:



GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK! BORIS GET A FREAKING CLUE. THE LEFT ARE THE ONES WHO TRUELY ARE BRAINLESS.

I am really pissed off in seeing these biased threads posted with some highly misleading garbage.

Oh please. My comment about the right was just pointing out the stupidity of Ned's assertion about the left.

And once again you don't support anything, you just like to try and wave your magic little pixie wand to wish what you believe true. Is it any wonder nobody here takes you seriously?

[Sikander]

A circle jerk gets Fezzed.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Fez


It was?

Yeah. When they came to power, it was liberal organizations like NOW, the Human Rights Campaigns and Amnesty International that were vociferously denouncing the regime while nobody on the right seemed to care. It wasn't until the WTC was annhiliated that suddenly the right realized the Taliban wasn't such a good bunch after all.

I guess Bush didn't think they were so bad, since he sent them $140 million to "fight drugs," and his oil cronies were scouting out the northern lands to put up an oil pipeline.

[Giancarlo]

Evidence.

[Boris Godunov]

Written in 1998:

"the United Nations—along with all but three of the world's nations—refuses to recognize the Taliban as a legitimate government because of their human rights abuses. However, the U.S. oil company Unocal is the major player in an international consortium that plans to begin building a multi-billion dollar gas pipeline through Afghanistan by the end of this year. As long as the Taliban is in power, this pipeline would benefit their oppressive regime.

NOW Advisory Board Co-Chair and Feminist Majority leader Eleanor Smeal has spearheaded the feminist response to the atrocities occurring in Afghanistan. In late January 1998 NOW's Vice Presidents Elizabeth Toledo and Karen Johnson joined Smeal, NOW LDEF President Kathy Rodgers and other feminist leaders in a meeting with Assistant Secretary for South Asian Affairs Karl Inderfurth to discuss the plight of Afghan women and girls. The two Afghan women in the group, Sima Wali, president of Refugee Women in Development, and Zieba Shorish-Shamley, chair of Women's Alliance for Peace and Human Rights in Afghanistan, had recently returned from the Afghan refugee camps in Pakistan. They told of the heartbreaking misery and suffering caused by the Taliban's oppressive regime. According to Assistant Secretary Inderfurth, the U.S. influence on the Taliban is minimal and a quick resolution to the oppression is not likely for years. In Inderfurth's judgment the only thing the Taliban desires is recognition by the United Nations. Meanwhile, the conditions for Afghan women and girls is abysmal."

You can search the NOW web site for articles on the Taliban, tons of which date back well before 2001.

From Amnesty International in 1997:

http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/aireport/ar97/ASA11.htm

1998:

http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/aireport/ar98/asa11.htm

So on and so forth.

I have, in those post, provided more support for my arguments than you ever have in the entire history of your posting on thise forum for your baseless, knee-jerk rightist positions.

Once again, a debate has been Fezzed. Drat.

[Giancarlo]

So for some ****ing reason, leftists are smarter than right-wingers? Man, you truely are a hypocrit.

Nice sources.

Now get something credible for a change.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Fez
So for some ****ing reason, leftists are smarter than right-wingers? Man, you truely are a hypocrit.

If you're a typical example of a right-winger, then obviously.

But I said nothing of the kind, so I am thinking you're having delusions again? Meds, meds, meds.

Nice sources.

Now get something credible for a change.

So what reason would NOW and AI have to make up these documents (which have been publicly available for years)?

Do you have any evidence contradicting them? That's how you argue, boy. You have to present your own support. What don't you believe about them?

Don't believe the Unocal bit?

Here's from the company's web site:

"ASHGABAT, Turkmenistan, Oct. 27, 1997 -- Six international companies and the Government of Turkmenistan formed Central Asia Gas Pipeline, Ltd. (CentGas) in formal signing ceremonies here Saturday. The group is developing a project to build a 790-mile (1,271-kilometer) pipeline to link Turkmenistan's abundant proven natural gas reserves with growing markets in Pakistan. The group is also considering an extension of the line to the New Delhi area in India."

That would have to go through Afghanistan.

And here's the whole history of it:

http://www.worldpress.org/specials/pp/pipeline_timeline.htm

Now, on January 3 of this year, you might be interested to know that Bush appointed Zalmay Khalilzad, a former aide at Unocal, as the special envoy to Afghanistan. Hmmm.

[Asher]

I would just like to assert that never, ever, has any right winger been immoral. On the other hand, every left winger is immoral and always has been.

Thanks.

[Giancarlo]

Boris: What the ****? So anybody not having the same views as you is automatically stupid? Give me a break... the world is not only leftism.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Ned, you're so full of it.

So, we can assume, by your logic, the right's refusal to condemn Mugabe means they support his policies? Speaking of anti-Israel, how about our Republican's president coddling of virulently anti-semitic regimes, like those in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?

If you assert that removing Hussein is a moral issue, then you make Bush and those who support such a policy incredible hypocrites because they aren't out ridding the world of all evil. In fact, Bush campaigned on the very idea that America should NOT be out policing the world and participating in the very moral crusades you seem to think they are embarking upon.

And it was the LEFT that first brought the monstrous acts of the Taliban to the world's attention. Did the right act on any sort of moral obligation to protect the Afghanistani people then? No. So don't give me any of that moral high ground crap. It's political and you know it.

Well, 9/11 certainly changed everything for Bush. You are right on that.

I will also agree that the left pointed out the travesty the was/is the Taliban. But what did they want to do about it? Nothing! Bush acted.

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
* * *
"Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe.

"Now the trumpet summons us again--not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need--not as a call to battle, though embattled we are-- but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation"--a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease and war itself."

The words of JFK. Why does Bush sound so much like JFK and his own brother Teddy sound like Chamberlain?

The left once led the fight for freedom against tryanny. Today, it is the right.