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  • #16
    BG, You are ignoring the lessons of history. Saddam is no different than Hitler. The time to stop him is before he becomes powerful.

    Unprovoked? The man is guilty of crimes against humanity and war crimes. Why isn't the left demanding his surrender? It certainly is of Sharon who hasn't even been accused on 1/100th of what Saddam has been accused of.

    The left is coddling Saddam because he is anti-American and anti-Israel. So is the left.
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    • #17
      Come on Ned! you can do better than that rather weak argument!

      How is Saddam like Hitler? He is a dictator? well, there's lots of those, and being a dictator doesn't make you like Hitler. The Hitler annalogy is horribly overused and has become rhetorically worthless.

      Yes, Saddam is a butcher, but sadly, that not an issue of international relations. The US castigate vietnam for invading Cambodia back in 1979, even though it was the Vietnamese who finally overthrew a regime that murdered about 1/5 of the people of its own country, including almost the entire middle class. The fact is that the US lets countless masscres around the world go on without a peep. You can't justify a war aginst Iraq in terms of Human rigths wthout then having to explain why all the other countless represions of Human rights aren't worth an invasion.

      The left is coddling Saddam because he is anti-American and anti-Israel. So is the left.


      Please..... The original Zionists were socialists, the pledge of alliegence was written by a socialist, so forht and so on. The 'left' doesn't want the war (different from coddling, however you dsignate that) because the more idealistic part of it is pacifist.
      If I were to say that the right supports the war because it is racist and religiously intoleran, anti-Arab and anti-Muslim, that statement would be as valid as the one quoted. So Ned, are you a racist and religiously intolerant?
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      • #18
        Gepap, I only wish we had the power to fix everything wrong about the world. We don't have that power.

        Welcome to the right: We are strongly pro-democracy and strongly pro-human rights.

        The left in England, once upon a time, were the leading advocates of war against Hitler because he was a madman dictator who threaten to destroy democracy in Europe. They hated the Conservative's appeasement policy. In the United States, Roosevelt, hero of the left, aggressively supported England and opposed Germany and Japan well before Pearl Harbor. Our effort in WWII was truly an effort to protect democracy.

        It is interesting that the right is today is where the left was once. In contrast, the left today is anti-war, a position once held by the conservatives in England and Republicans in the United States.

        I think it high time for the left to junk its anti-war attitude and support the effort to rid the world of police-state dictators. Iraq is not Vietnam. Iraq is not about America trying to crush communisim. It is about liberation of an oppressed people and ridding the world of a madman with WoMD.
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        • #19
          I hope that either Blair will come to his senses or be removed from office. I certainly do not want a bloody colonial-style campaign against innocent Iraqis. If it goes ahead, this war will be the first big genocide of this century.

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          • #20
            It is about liberation of an oppressed people and ridding the world of a madman with WoMD.


            replace "Human rights" with "WoMD"
            You can't justify a war aginst Iraq in terms of Human rigths wthout then having to explain why all the other countless represions of Human rights aren't worth an invasion.


            replace "Human rights" with "an oppressed people"
            You can't justify a war aginst Iraq in terms of Human rigths wthout then having to explain why all the other countless represions of Human rights aren't worth an invasion.


            well, it almost fits...
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            • #21
              BG, You are ignoring the lessons of history. Saddam is no different than Hitler. The time to stop him is before he becomes powerful.

              Ned, you are ignoring the lessons of history. Bush is no different than Hitler. The time to stop him is before he becomes too powerful.

              You disagree? Then why is Bush trying to vest in himself absolute authority and establish a gestapo?

              Edit: Saddam is a mere Mussolini. There has been rhetoric among the Republicrats for the revocation of basic civil rights for the individuals of Arab descent or Muslim creed.
              Last edited by St Leo; September 30, 2002, 18:43.
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              • #22
                OH MY GOD

                !!!

                PEOPE ARE PROTESTING!

                !!!

                Bush better rethink his policies now!



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                • #23
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sandman
                    I hope that either Blair will come to his senses or be removed from office.
                    Go Tories!
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by St Leo
                      Saddam is a mere Mussolini.
                      It was Mussolini that destroyed the credibility of the League of Nations.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by St Leo
                        BG, You are ignoring the lessons of history. Saddam is no different than Hitler. The time to stop him is before he becomes powerful.

                        Ned, you are ignoring the lessons of history. Bush is no different than Hitler. The time to stop him is before he becomes too powerful.

                        You disagree? Then why is Bush trying to vest in himself absolute authority and establish a gestapo?

                        Edit: Saddam is a mere Mussolini. There has been rhetoric among the Republicrats for the revocation of basic civil rights for the individuals of Arab descent or Muslim creed.
                        St. Leo, I think the right has the moral high ground in this debate.
                        Last edited by Ned; September 30, 2002, 19:51.
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                        • #27
                          You people are sick in the head. It is comments like these that are just plain stupid:

                          Sounds like the American Republican party. They claim to be for the working people, yet are blatantly pro-corporate in their actions.
                          OH REALLY? THE GOP IS THE ONLY ONE THAT GIVES A **** ABOUT THE FUTURE.

                          I am sick and tired of the damn bias on this forum. They claim to the tolerant ones but once somebody else tries to voice their opinion they are thrown out in the garbage with comments like these:

                          Not supporting an unprovoked, unilateral war against Hussein by the U.S. and U.K. isn't the same as supporting Hussein or his homicidal actions.

                          But why don't I find is surprising someone on the right would use such a silly argument?
                          GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK! BORIS GET A FREAKING CLUE. THE LEFT ARE THE ONES WHO TRUELY ARE BRAINLESS.

                          I am really pissed off in seeing these biased threads posted with some highly misleading garbage.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #28
                            Giancarlo, that kind of tone is not going to win you any respect. To me you just look like any other raving right winger spouting rhetoric.
                            Speaking of Erith:

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                            • #29
                              PH, To me you just look like any other raving left winger spouting rhetoric.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #30
                                *sigh*

                                Well I suppose imitation is the most sincere form of flattery...
                                Speaking of Erith:

                                "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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