Shame On You American Hating Liberals!

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
You are in an evocatively exuberant mood today Frogger.

I feel like poking fun at silliness today.

[Winston]

Well the article makes a genuine point whether it was one of the 1000 worst atrocities or just the 1148th.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
You are in an evocatively exuberant mood today Frogger.

He is obviously on some type of drugs. It is probably best to humor him until he comes down...

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Mr. President
Shut up, Frogger.

Screw you.

Some people (or, more properly, viewpoints) have been having free run for the last year. I put up with it for a while, but it's progressed to the point where it's having concrete negative efects both on the quality of political discourse and in the real world. Why bother with reason when you can whip up a few base sentiments like horror and vengefulness?

I feel bad doing this to Lincoln, since he's a very reasonable person usually, but the article is over the top.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Lincoln
While we are reviewing history, why doesn't someone post some of the responses of nations that suffered an attack like the US experienced on 9/11? America can be trusted as a superpower. Not only did she selectively target the military but now she is helping to rebuild the country that supported the attacks. Like the article says. Some people just have an irrational hatred for the United States that seems to guide their thoughts.

Snooze. The US did as well as could be expected in Afghanistan. The same won't be said about the current BS regarding Iraq...

[Lincoln]

We haven't done anything to Iraq yet. In fact the UN draft is being prepared now to offer inspections one more time.

[Lincoln]

Well I am off to bed. Hope you "shameful" liberals can repent while I am gone.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Frogger




I feel like poking fun at silliness today.

Then find something silly to poke fun at. 9/11 and an authors feelings about anti-Americanism don't seem silly to me.

You are demonstrating you are vary apt at setting up straw men from 2 or 3 lines of an article and ignoring all the rest.

[KrazyHorse]

Really?

I don't find 3000 innocent people dying funny in the slightest. I find some people's reactions funny, and will make fun of them if the mood strikes me.

The article was a sad little piece of silliness. In the space of a page of standard text the author managed to reduce himself in my mind to the status of a tabloid columnist. Whether it be in the form of shallow, specious claims that muslim extremism and european antagonism both spring from similar sources (they hate our freedom and wealth!), by making ridiculously ahistorical claims as to the scale of 9/11, by engaging in the worst form of disregard to human life with respect to innocent Afghan civilians or by dismissing all who disagree with him as "self-loathing liberals", the author seems to be unable to string two sentences together without making an ass of himself.

I have respect for those who may share the author's point of view...but they had better come up with something better than that piece of tripe disguising as serious journalism in order to justify their existence.

[notyoueither]

Was it not the worst example of a certain type of act?

Is not that type of act extremely destabilising to world peace?

How many people fail to appreciate the significance of attacks on concentrations of civilians made by irregular forces who disguise themselves as just another few Joes on the street (or in the airplane as the case may be)? This time it was 3000 people in 3 locations. How significant will it be when it is St Petersburg going up in a mushroom cloud? Or London, or San Francisco, or Bombay, or Montreal?

You are correct Frogger, there are many higher body counts. 9/11 is significant for reasons other than quantity of dead, although it is not insignifcant on that score either.

[KrazyHorse]

It was significant on the level of geopolitics because Americans died, not some folks nobody knows. On the level of atrocities, what I count is body count, the nature of the victims (military, political enemies, or just mom and pop) and any additional suffering inflicted (torture, rape etc.)

9/11 makes it as the most significant geopolitical event since 1991. It doesn't even make it as the worst atrocity in the last 10 years (by a long shot) , so to claim that it's one of the worst in 10 000 years of human history is silly silly silly.

[notyoueither]

Actually, I think it would have been even more significant had the targets been in Moscow and St Petersburg, or Paris.

At any rate, it may be much more significant given time. It may mark the point that the world said 'enough'. The world may no longer tolerate the existence of vermin who skulk around in civies blowing up random civilians, or the countries who make hay by supporting and sheltering the scum.

Or maybe not, maybe the world doesn't care enough yet. Maybe the lunatics of the world will just keep on planning bigger and better events. Maybe someday the point will come that is enough. Maybe not.

Maybe people will let their bias against America effect their view of the event to such an extent that it will turn out to be just another 3000 dead people. Somehow I doubt the Americans will let that happen too easily. Can't say I blame them.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Lincoln
America can be trusted as a superpower. Not only did she selectively target the military but now she is helping to rebuild the country that supported the attacks. Like the article says. Some people just have an irrational hatred for the United States that seems to guide their thoughts.

This is wrong on two points. First of all, as is obvious to everyone, the US is now using 9/11 as an excuse to attack a country that had absolutely nothing to do with it, Iraq.

Second, the US has not only not helped in the rebuilding of Afganisatn, it hasn't even come up with the money it pledged last year (some of it has gone over). Afganistan is falling apart, the "government" only control Kabul while the warlords are begining to fight in the countryside, and the Taliban are already moving back into the country.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


This is wrong on two points. First of all, as is obvious to everyone, the US is now using 9/11 as an excuse to attack a country that had absolutely nothing to do with it, Iraq.

Or maybe your leaders just feel the need for a very large, unsinkable air craft carrier in the region...

[ranskaldan]

You know, by the logic of this article, if 9/11 was one of the greatest atrocities in history, then Columbine was too.

In fact, Columbine ranks right up there with the Holocaust and the Crusades. Really.

Thus, since the FBI didn't go into the two killers' homes and blow them up, it shows that America has great magnanimity.

And also, if the FBI, in one of their routine searches, shot some family member of the two killers, it's just normal. Maybe these meddling family members should have stayed away. Only the FBI knows how to win this war against schoolyard violence.

Of course, if FOX spends the next 10 years reporting on how victims of Columbine are rebuilding their lives (and nothing but that), there's nothing wrong with that, of course.