IDF will occupy Gaza and uproot Hamas

[Ned]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
What do you mean, deterrent?

Hamas greatest wish is for Israel to go into Gaza... What better way to get more popular support than Israel killing a few more innocent palestinians?

I'm not so sure, CyberGnu. The re-occupation of the West Bank led directly to Arafat calling for a halt of suicide bombings of civilians in Israel. He does seem to want to get the Israeli's out of the West Bank and this is the known price for Israeli co-operation.

The mere thought of Israel occupying Gaza, one of the last places that is still free from the Israeli army, may cause Arafat to actually put some pressure on Hamas - even if Hamas itself does not care what happens because it is so driven by hate or whatever that it will not stop the killing for any reason.

[CyberGnu]

So what was the american revolution about?

If they were willing to give their life to avoid 'taxation without representation', why are you suprised the palestinians are willing to give their life to avoid ACTUAL oppression?

It's not a troll. It's an attempt to make you understand by relating to situations you might have a better grasp of.


It often does hurt to exercise your brain in new ways. But it is good for you.

[DinoDoc]

The Palestinians would be a much more effective force if they focused thier attacks on military targets, rather than civilian ones, CG.

[CyberGnu]

Ned, you of all people here were the one that seemed most likely to grasp the difference between Arafat and Hamas.

Arafat has wagered his political future on ending the oppression of Israel. Hamas wants the conflict to continue until all of Israel is eliminated, most likely by enraging the surrounding arabs nations enough to take up arms.

Now Israel is contemplating yet another action to strengthen Hamas while weakening Arafat. And you still think Sharon wants peace?

[Carver]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
What is the difference between Sharon and the Hitler of 1937?

Not much. Both regimes are built on racism. Only Sharon is being held back by his golden goose, the US.

[CyberGnu]

Dino, that would be true if they really were counting on international support. I think the last few years has shown how likely that is... Israeli propaganda and bribes will ensure the US vetoing every international resolution to the conflict.

Hamas wants to anger their fellow arabs. The best way to do that is to get more palestinians killed.

[CyberGnu]

Carver, exactly. We can only hope that Sharon is not allowed to develop into the full fledged Hitler of 1942.

[Carver]

Also, Israel brags about how "successful" its security perimeter is around Gaza, so how can they justify another invasion of Gaza when no "terrorists" are coming from Gaza?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Dino, that would be true if they really were counting on international support.

If they weren't so focused on the slaughter of civilians and were either acting as a proper guerrilla force or engaging in nonviolent resistance to the occupation (a la Sum of All Fears), counting on widespread international support wouldn't be an issue. It would already exist.

[Bereta_Eder]

it is unbelievable how long this conflict has lasted. and how many human lives have been lost.

some very influencial people have very strong reasons in keeping it going.

i cant belive how israelis keep on living under these conditions and i can understnad (but not condone) their nationalism.

i cant believe how palestinians can live under the terror, occupation and humiliation either. and some people profit from it for their own goals.

since i can remember there was conflict in this place.

the balkans are heaven in comparison.

all the israelis of this forum can come to greece we will be glad to have them here. and the pals too.

(but no fighting here or we kick butts)


Israeli teens in Greece in regional peace visit
Sun Sep 22, 5:39 AM ET

ATHENS, Greece - A group of Israeli teenagers, including some injured in Palestinian attacks, arrived Sunday for a week-long visit as part of a peace gesture by Greek communities.



The 140 youths, aged 15 to 17, come from Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa and other places touched by the ongoing Arab-Israeli bloodshed. Some of the teenagers were injured in Palestinian suicide bombings or lost relatives in the attacks.

Two groups of Palestinians teens visited Greece in July and August also hosted by the Central Union of Greek Municipalities, an umbrella organization of cities and towns.

The group's secretary-general, Apostolis Kamisis, said the visits were part of an "effort for regional peace."

David Sasson, the Israeli ambassador to Greece, said there are no immediate plans for joint Israeli-Palestinian trips. But he predicted that tensions will eventually ease in coming generations.

"They are the future. We are the past. They will reconcile," he said.

The visit comes amid new unrest.

Thousands of Palestinians defied military curfews to stage protests against Israel's assault Saturday on the headquarters of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat ( news - web sites). At least four Palestinians were killed in clashes with Israeli forces.

The Israeli strike against Arafat's West Bank compound followed a Palestinian suicide bombing Thursday that killed six people on a Tel Aviv bus. The attack was claimed by the Islamic militant Hamas group.

[Sirotnikov]

yo siro. u cant have adequate security at home so you transfered all your football teams at Cyprus?

We haven't.

UEFA has

What did Israel do in 2000? How about the same as in 99'? Continued the occupation.

It did the same since 1967.
Only after Arafat gain actual power on the ground did Hamas and Jihad and the rest of the "extremist groups" started rearing up their head.

The difference is that if hostilities ended now, Sharon would be forced to make concessions.

You somehow assume that the hostilities on the Palestinian side are about to end. How optimistic of you.

BTW, implying that I'm anti-semititic because I oppose aggression again, are we? Grow up.

You seem to throw around nazi slang so knowingly.

all dem "heil" and "der fuhrer" and "anschloss" just come naturally to you, I suppose.

Furthermore, you proved your nazi nature in this paragraph:

The festering wound that is Israel corrupts the entire civilized world, showcasing how propaganda and sufficient bribe money for politicians can overcome ideals such as justice and freedom.

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61803&perpage=20&pagenumber=4

What is the point about your rant regarding the Hamas?

What's the point of your rant?

You automatically assume that Israel kills and targets civilians.

If you can assume that, I can assume that all the civilians are Hamas members.

[Sirotnikov]

Interesting, how Israel is built on racism.

Yet the druze and most beduins feel quite well.

The Bahai faith has it's world center in Haifa and have never complained of being wronged to.

[FrantzX]

I just hope IDF doesn't do a half-assed job.

[Bereta_Eder]

The Israelis have a right to live in a country free of terrorism. The palestinians have a right to their own country.

I don't think it's realistic for the Israelis to be evacuated from this place and I don't think it's human-like to say "I hope the IDF doesnt do a half-ass job". Does that mean leaving some palestinian women and children alive?

Or dont you know that when the IDF attacks scores of civilians die?

More than what the pal terrorists kill.

[Ramo]

This is supposed to lead to less terrorist activity? I wouldn't bet on it.

Every innocent person killed in Gaza will mean many more potential Palestinian suicide bombers.