IDF will occupy Gaza and uproot Hamas

[Alexander's Horse]

All that will be achieved is more recruits for Hamas.

[ranskaldan]

Having argued for the Palestinian cause for months, I would now like to pose a question to those supporting Palestine:

What would you do, if you were in Sharon's position?
Don't just say, "pull out of everyplace". Give some details.

I'm troubled because I myself don't know the answer.

[Alexander's Horse]

Interesting how for centuries the Jews complained about being confined the ghettoes - and now they run them

[Ramo]

Having argued for the Palestinian cause for months, I would now like to pose a question to those supporting Palestine:

Give independence to Palestine. Stop taking their resources. Stop closures and curfews, take down trade barriers, open up immigration, etc.

[Sirotnikov]

Interesting how for centuries the Jews complained about being confined the ghettoes - and now they run them

Not at all complained.

We were protected in the Ghettos from the racists in Europe.

[CyberGnu]

Dino, I don't think ou quite got the point... Hamas doesn;t care about international opinion. Might even work against them, since if a fair deal was forced out of Sharon most palesinians wouldn;t support Hamas.

[Lincoln]

So now Sharon is like Hitler? What a joke. What are the Palestinians who kill innocents then, the poor oppressed Jews in ww2? Or our they "freedom fighters"? If that is the case then what are the children and women they kill, children and wives of Nazis? Statehood is now promised to the people of Palestine but that is not good enough. They insist on allowing their people to murder kids and women anyway. Reasonable people see these people that would like to annihilate Israel regardless of what they do for what they are; racists and bigots. And the people who support them do not love peace. They are motivated by hatred for Israel.

[Drake Tungsten]

Don't even bother, Lincoln. CyberGnu is too far gone to listen to logic...

[faded glory]

"Give independence to Palestine"

Another dictatorship.....


"Stop taking their resources"

Wtf??? What resources? Except water. Which I might add is a dead issue. You arent just going to give away all that H2o that keeps those countries alive. That is like gold in the desert. Thats a grey area. The Pal's should take what they can get and shut up. Israel obvouisly has the larger more modern population and is in a position to decide who gets what and how much.



"Stop closures and curfews"

Good. In lala land yes. In places like Biet Jalla-Gilo and areas bordering Jewish population. No. you see niether of the two would exist if it werent for a few thousand gunmen causing trouble in the wee hours of the night. Curfews are neccesary right now.


"open up immigration"

Ahh more suicide bombings

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Don't even bother, Lincoln. CyberGnu is too far gone to listen to logic...

Good idea Drake. I am out of here. Next, the suicide bombers will be compared to Martin Luther King.

[CyberGnu]

Siro,

You somehow assume that the hostilities on the Palestinian side are about to end. How optimistic of you.

If the occupation ceases, of course. Not optimiztic. realistic.

It is of course also realistic to believe that Israel will never willingly give up any of the occupied land.

You seem to throw around nazi slang so knowingly.

all dem "heil" and "der fuhrer" and "anschloss" just come naturally to you, I suppose.

No, it's actually called 'education'. You should try it.

Furthermore, you proved your nazi nature in this paragraph:

quote:

The festering wound that is Israel corrupts the entire civilized world, showcasing how propaganda and sufficient bribe money for politicians can overcome ideals such as justice and freedom.

Illogical conclusion. Care to show how you made this deduction?

What's the point of your rant?

You automatically assume that Israel kills and targets civilians.

No, I just go with reality. Israel has in the last two year killed over 1600 palestinians, the vast majority of which civilians. Only an idiot would assume that Israel would stop now.

[Sirotnikov]

Give independence to Palestine.

Ok.

Assuming they have a responsible pro-israel anti-terrorist regime.

Stop taking their resources.

What about the magic word - Share.

You can't live on such a small patch of land and not work together.

And if you insist it belongs to the pals, Israel has some 1.2 Million Israeli Arabs, most of which see themselves as palestinians, but wish to remain Israeli citizens. How would you suggest they get the water that is rightfully theirs?

Stop closures and curfews

Once our intelligence shows us there is little danger of suicid bombers - sure

[q]take down trade barriers[/q
Once there is a relyable tracking system for funds, to make sure they don't go to sponsor attack on Israeli civilians.

open up immigration, etc

Nope - no way, no how.

No reason for immigration laws to be part of the equation.

Those who left - left. I don't see Jews knocking on doors in germany or russia or poland.

We can pay them some compensation for their property, and symbolic compensation to top.

But no Rights of Return. Ever.

Once 50 years have passed, and the pals lose the idea of pushing jews out of here, maybe we could make a joint bi-national and bi-ethnical federation.

Until that time - i don't mind them working or studying in Israel.

But they live in Palestine and they vote in Palestine.

[CyberGnu]

Lincoln, actually yes. Jewish, polish, french, norwegian and ukrainian partisans all killed german civilians in WW2.

Could it be that the palestinians are killing people who are on the same side as you, which thus makes them criminal? Moral relativity... Yuck.

[CyberGnu]

Drake, spoken like a man who cannot support his own opinion. Well, 'man' might be a bit far...

[CyberGnu]

'Those who left, left'.

Nice, Siro. Nice. Might gives right.

Heil Sharon!