Bullfighting

[Giancarlo]

Torture and kill? Typical animal rights rhetoric.

The situation with the dog? No. Fine I use double standards and I don't care.

[Bereta_Eder]

someone could dress up as a bull and being chased.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Fez
Torture and kill? Typical animal rights rhetoric.

How is what I said wrong? Do they not jab the bull repeatedly with spears, and let them stick into it as it bleeds away? Do they not kill it at the end?

Rhetoric or not, it isn't inaccurate. If someone stuck you in an arena and did that, would you not consider it torture?

The situation with the dog? No. Fine I use double standards and I don't care.

Okay, since you admit to being a hypocrite about it, and refuse to enlighted anyone as to why bullfighting isn't a barbaric act of cruelty with rational discussion, then don't blame people for coming to the conclusion that it is an uncivilized bit of animal torture.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Fez
You are not from my country so you don't know why we keep it... it is part of society. And there is nothing you animal rights activists can do about.

Now that is some of the best "enlightening" I've ever seen! Way to explain the history behind it, Fez.

[Giancarlo]

Boris you are American so you know nothing about my country's society or culture. Your rhetoric is typical of that of the American animals right activist. Rhetoric that should be ignored.

[Caligastia]

You dont have to be an animal rights activist to be uncomfortable with the suffering of animals.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Fez
Boris you are American so you know nothing about my country's society or culture. Your rhetoric is typical of that of the American animals right activist. Rhetoric that should be ignored.

So I guess all I can assume is that you're Spanish, so you know nothing of being civilized.

Seriously, though, it's bs to sit there and condescendingly tell people they don't understand the culture and not try to explain it. All that does is make us see your posts as empty rhetoric used to weakly excuse a practice most people in the world see as barbaric. So either enlighten us or cut the crap and admit you guys just like torturing animals for fun.

[Caligastia]

Cmon Boris, youre not actually taking Fez seriously are you?

[yaroslav]

I'm Spanish and I'm against bullfigthing. The number of people opposed to that practice grow year after year. Many bullfigthing 'spectacles' now gives for free a tickect if you are under 16, in a desesperate try to gain young people support.

But Bullfigthing is so involve on Tradition that a ban against this is very difficult. People that are against bullfigthing don't go too see it, but don't aks for ban it

[Rasbelin]

Plain and simple: I oppose bull fighting in all it's forms as it's not good treatment off animals before finally ending their lives. If I would be a bull, I wouldn't want to end my life on a bull fighting venue as it would be quite cruel after all. And yes, I'm a friend of animals. Asking me for attending a such venue wouldn't be so nice, but I wouldn't start ranting because of that. I would just simply say that I don't enjoy bull fighting as entertainment.

[Dauphin]

Where does the line get drawn at cruelty to animals for sport. Granted bull-fighting and fox-hunting is cruel, but is fishing? I mean dragging a fish out of water by sticking a hook in its mouthand then letting it suffocate to death is cruel, whether or or not you elect to throw it back afterwards.

How do you define cruelty?

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Fez
The situation with the dog? No. Fine I use double standards and I don't care.

My work here is done, and I didn't even do anything! Fez has once again outdone himself with his well justified and rational arguments.

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
Where does the line get drawn at cruelty to animals for sport. Granted bull-fighting and fox-hunting is cruel, but is fishing? I mean dragging a fish out of water by sticking a hook in its mouthand then letting it suffocate to death is cruel, whether or or not you elect to throw it back afterwards.

An argument for the increased cruelty in the treatment of fish and shellfish (hooking fish and letting them suffocate, boiling shellfish alive), and also an argument for pesco-vegetarianism, is that fish and shellfish have primitive nervous systems--they're not capable of registering pain like a dog, or a bull. I dunno if I necessarily buy this argument, but certainly different species have different capabilities of registering pain and thus have different "cruelty tolerances"--an extreme case is bacteria, which nobody (except perhaps for hardcore Jainists) ever considers to have the same rights as other "higher" species.

[Drake Tungsten]

Animals don't have rights. Keep on bullfighting, my Latin brothers.

[GePap]

I don't care if Spaniards continue Bullfighting- heck, the thing that bugs me most is the waste of meat, assuming they don't eat the bull killed (if they do, then I care even less). My main problem with Bullfighting is that it is overly ritualized- more spectacle than anything- its simple in Latin America. Also, make it more interesting by not shaving the bulls horn down- I would not mind seeing a few more bullfighters die as well.... all in the name of sport, of course.

[Drake Tungsten]

Also, make it more interesting by not shaving the bulls horn down- I would not mind seeing a few more bullfighters die as well.... all in the name of sport, of course.

I'm totally with you on this.