Arafat under siege

[Waku]

perhaps he plans the massacres thoroughly

[Imran Siddiqui]

CG: Totally correct. Sharon is slowly but surely building support for a general war.

[Capt Dizle]

Certainly there can be no peace with a terrorist like Arafat. No peace with terrorist organizations. No peace until arab nations accept the right of Israel to exist. Its going to come down to force of arms.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Certainly there can be no peace with a terrorist like Sharon. No peace with terrorist countries. No peace until Israel accept the rights of Arabs to be first class citizens. Its going to come down to force of arms.

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That was fun .

[The Mad Monk]

We are agreed, then.

[CyberGnu]

'restraint is power'?

And this a few days after he declared that Israel would retaliate against Iraq in case of an attack, even though the US was practically begging for Israel to be calm?

That Sharon occaisonally throws the international opinion a bone should not be confused with morality. Israel plays the propaganda game incredibly well, but even the masters of propaganda needs a gesture of good will every once in a while.

'Master of restraint'... Please. That's like calling Hitler a master of restraint for waiting until 1942 before attacking Russia...

[Sirotnikov]

'restraint is power'?

And this a few days after he declared that Israel would retaliate against Iraq in case of an attack, even though the US was practically begging for Israel to be calm?

Yo've got your dates all wrong.

He said that a year and several months ago.

Just shows how much your views are detached from events.

'Master of restraint'... Please. That's like calling Hitler a master of restraint for waiting until 1942 before attacking Russia...

Funny, I always thought Hitler attacked in 1941. But then again, my sources must be lying.

Furthermore, USSR was about to attack Hitler and amassing troops for a surprise attack in July. But then again, my sources are obviously slanted.

[CyberGnu]

Yo've got your dates all wrong.

He said that a year and several months ago.

Just shows how much your views are detached from events.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/22/international/middleeast/22ISRA.html

Just shows that you should start reading real news instead of the Daily Hatred or whatever it is you get your stuff from.

Funny, I always thought Hitler attacked in 1941. But then again, my sources must be lying.

Furthermore, USSR was about to attack Hitler and amassing troops for a surprise attack in July. But then again, my sources are obviously slanted.

Ah, another classic Siro reply. Can't argue with the actual message, he goes for minute details. Ooooooh, this arguemnt really doesn;t make sense if we replace '1942' with '1941', does it?

Eyes watering from sarcasm again.

[Sheik]

I find it ridiculous that Bush supports a Palestinian State. He will be reforming Iraq #1 while creating Iraq #2. Arafat and Sadam are both terrorists and need to be dealt with as such.

[CyberGnu]

I find it ridiculous that Bush supports a invading Iraq while not supporting invading Israel.

Sharon and Sadam are both terrorists and need to be dealt with as such.

[Sirotnikov]

Just shows that you should start reading real news instead of the Daily Hatred or whatever it is you get your stuff from.

First, let me congratulate you on your third time to use a source.

Then, I would like you congratulate you on being irrelevant or simply misunderstanding what I was talking about.

'restraint is power'?

And this a few days after he declared that Israel would retaliate against Iraq in case of an attack, even though the US was practically begging for Israel to be calm?

Reading this text would make me think that you believe that the quote 'restraint is power' came "a few days after he declared Israel would..."

However reading Eli's text again, to which you refer:

Is that why he declared that "restraint is power" after the Dolphinarium massacre

We manage to gather that this was said soon after the Dolphinarium massacare.

The Dolphinarium massacare, as you never cared to check your sources for, occured in summer of 2001. That would be a year and a bit ago.

But then again, why bother with such details? You can build a world view from personal opinions alone, right?


In any case -your point is weak, since just because restraint is power, it doesn't mean that it fits all situations. To maintain its detterance, Israel feels it must retaliate in the case of attack.

Just because Sharon doesn't find restraint adivsable in this situation, doesn't mean he is not familiar with the concept, as Eli showed.

Eyes watering from sarcasm again.

You better bring a handcarechief.

Hitler did indeed use restraint, as he wanted to attack Russia even earlier, and some of his generals argues against him. He saw Russia's preparations for a surprise attack, which was indeed in the making.

This makes your comparison irrelevant too.

But hey, my sources are probably lying about this too.

[CyberGnu]

First, let me congratulate you on your third time to use a source.

Moron.

I've wasted enough time on you. Come back if you have something substantial to say.

[The Mad Monk]

[Ned]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Certainly there can be no peace with a terrorist like Sharon. No peace with terrorist countries. No peace until Israel accept the rights of Arabs to be first class citizens. Its going to come down to force of arms.

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That was fun .

Imran, I don't know where this came from, but real peace appears to be just around the corner. Bush is committed to a Palestinian State. The Arab League is on board. Arafat has agreed to the Clinton Peace Plan. We are only awaiting the elections in January for the final discussions to begin.

There is no need for anyone to fight. People ought to be calling for an end to violence all around. Real leadership will call for an end to violence and peace with Israel.

[Imran Siddiqui]

We are only awaiting the elections in January for the final discussions to begin.

And what if Arafat or a Hamas leader wins (one of which will happen)?