In America Them that got gets, the rest pay taxes

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Roland
Based on what ?

On what basis do you assume that it is a typo?

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by David Floyd
There are lots of problems with democracy, in this case, the majority being able to enforce their desire to have social programs over those who don't wish to pay for the health care or education of others.

And a better system is?

[David Floyd]

Yes, but in exchange I receive free health care, free education, subsidiesed bus fares, roads, library services, you name it.

You see that as a good thing. I see that as a method of forcing healthy people to pay for sick people, on the justification that someday they might get sick too. Which sounds alright, until you look at the situation and see that Person A ends up paying out for Person B's cancer, while Person B ends up paying out for Person A's flu.

Come on. A much better system is one in which everyone pays for their own health care. If they want private insurance, fine that's their choice, but if not, it's only right for someone to pay for their own health care.

Or take education. It seems only reasonable that parents should be responsible for their children's education, and if they can't afford it they shouldn't have had so many children. It should not be the responsibility of some 48 year old unmarried childless office worker.

Subsidized bus fares? Come on! Either drive your own car, or pay your own bus fare. But don't expect someone who drives everywhere to pay for you, just because you can't afford or don't want a car.

And why is it you think there aren't roads in the US? There are certainly far more highways in the US than in Europe.

[David Floyd]

And a better system is?

One in which the bottom line is that the wishes of the even a 99% supermajority cannot ever override the property rights or freedom of the 1% minority.

Outside of that, I'm not concerned what you call the government, so long as it functions in a just fashion.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by TheStinger

And a better system is?

Democratic Trotskyism.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by David Floyd


One in which the bottom line is that the wishes of the even a 99% supermajority cannot ever override the property rights or freedom of the 1% minority.

Outside of that, I'm not concerned what you call the government, so long as it functions in a just fashion.

I would assume you believe the government should have some function, if so how is it paid for?

[Roland]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
On what basis do you assume that it is a typo?

That all stats I've seen give consistently around 30 %, and that no one remembers a 1 trillion $ tax cut in the US in 1998.

[David Floyd]

Democratic Trotskyism.

*standard troll response*

Yeah, and we've all seen how well communism worked in Eastern Europe, Russia, and China

*/standard troll response*

[David Floyd]

I would assume you believe the government should have some function, if so how is it paid for?

User fees, contributions, things of that nature.

Remember that defense expenditures are virtually non-existent, too.

[Roland]

look at page 2:

http://www.oecd.org/pdf/M00017000/M00017591.pdf

28.9 %

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by David Floyd


You see that as a good thing. I see that as a method of forcing healthy people to pay for sick people, on the justification that someday they might get sick too. Which sounds alright, until you look at the situation and see that Person A ends up paying out for Person B's cancer, while Person B ends up paying out for Person A's flu.

Come on. A much better system is one in which everyone pays for their own health care. If they want private insurance, fine that's their choice, but if not, it's only right for someone to pay for their own health care.

Or take education. It seems only reasonable that parents should be responsible for their children's education, and if they can't afford it they shouldn't have
had so many children. It should not be the responsibility of some 48 year old unmarried childless office worker.


Subsidized bus fares? Come on! Either drive your own car, or pay your own bus fare. But don't expect someone who drives everywhere to pay for you, just because you can't afford or don't want a car.

And why is it you think there aren't roads in the US? There are certainly far more highways in the US than in Europe.

orphaned sick children are left to die then, or if the're healthy and live with their parents, who get ill and can't afford to send them to school, do they have to go down a mine. Oh the glory days of victorian life

[David Floyd]

orphaned sick children are left to die then,

There are plenty of private options open, such as churches, charity, family, things of that nature.

or if the're healthy and live with their parents, who get ill and can't afford to send them to school, do they have to go down a mine.

See above.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by David Floyd

You see that as a good thing. I see that as a method of forcing healthy people to pay for sick people, on the justification that someday they might get sick too. Which sounds alright, until you look at the situation and see that Person A ends up paying out for Person B's cancer, while Person B ends up paying out for Person A's flu.

Have you ever heard of a shared responsibility to take care of the poor? Well, I guess you haven't. Thanks to the Fennoscandinavian model for subsidised health care (of course just in a certain extense), all HIV infected persons can get their treatment, while many, many HIV patients in USA can't get their medication. Your example is abit surreal as it's all paid by The Social Insurance Institution of Finland (every Finnish citizen has a health insurance by SIIF), the municipalities and the Ministry of Social Affairs and Health.

Subsidized bus fares? Come on! Either drive your own car, or pay your own bus fare. But don't expect someone who drives everywhere to pay for you, just because you can't afford or don't want a car.

And why is it you think there aren't roads in the US? There are certainly far more highways in the US than in Europe.

This reminds of USA and road traffic pollution caused by Yanks that have to drive their own cars that consume more than enough gas, instead of using more environmental friendly cars and using public transportation. But of course you can't have any working public transportation if there's no hope for it when the gas prices are so cheap and there's no financial help available. Yet another USA reality.

Wakey, wakey! I summon all members of the Apolyton Communist Party to assist their fellow Trotskyist party.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by David Floyd

Yeah, and we've all seen how well communism worked in Eastern Europe, Russia, and China

*sigh*

There has this far never been any Democratic Trotskyist governments, so how can you know that? Trotskyism is related to Marxism, but that doesn't still mean that Trotskyism = Communism. Get real!

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by David Floyd

There are plenty of private options open, such as churches, charity, family, things of that nature.

Your comment just confirms that churches, charity, family =/~ US social insurance system.