How many planets would we need if everyone on Earth lived like you?

[David Floyd]

orange,

because we all know that's what's important in life

I was asked what kind of life I want my kids to have. And I answered. In part, I want them to grow up in a country where they are able to have a car at a young age, and actually afford the gas.

AS,

However, I'm still worried about the problem of decadence. A very very high living standard leads to sin and disrespect for one's fortune (rich whiteys from connecticut becoming free love hippies).

Can you explain sin and disrespect, please? What's wrong with becoming a free love hippie, if that's what one wants to do?

Him being a libertarian, I'm sure he favours a clean unpolluted world but he doesnt want the gov't legislating this.

Well, I'm more concerned about government legislation than pollution, yes.

Little things that people do like start a car pool, recycle, etc. I'm sure he's all in favour of.

Sure, whatever floats their boat. I'm still gonna drive, though, and I'm not gonna recycle if its extra work for me. I don't have the time to drive around dropping stuff off at recycling centers.

So don't take **** like that more than 15 minute shower thing too seriously.

Actually, I really do that.

[David Floyd]

Carver,

guess what AIR IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MACROECONOMIC GROWTH.

Frankly, I'm not concerned. I've seen statistics showing that natural volcanos pump out more CO2 at one time than industrial production. Can't cite the source, but it does make sense.

[CyberGnu]

David, so? Natural CO2 isn't the problem, nature compensates for that. Human CO2 is a net addition, however.

[David Floyd]

Well, I know nothing about science, hence because I don't understand it the problem isn't there. And in cases of money and standard of living vs. "environment", I'll let you guess which one wins out for me, and for the vast majority of Americans. Be realistic.

[chequita guevara]

Actually, most Americans say they would be more environmentally conscious if someone told them what to do. However, as we've been conditioned to be lazy, I doubt even if they were hand led to the recycling bin, that they'd do it.

[David Floyd]

Yes, most Americans SAY that. I bet most Americans wouldn't DO that though

[CyberGnu]

well, one could hope that most americans wouldn't object too strongly to the only thing I think helps, a carbon tax...

[Bereta_Eder]

Just 2 planets

[David Floyd]

well, one could hope that most americans wouldn't object too strongly to the only thing I think helps, a carbon tax...

You don't think Americans would object to higher taxes to address something they don't see as a problem? Oh how WELL you know us

[Carver]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
well, one could hope that most americans wouldn't object too strongly to the only thing I think helps, a carbon tax...

That's a great idea. The mileage on cars should be periodically inspected, the authorities then look at what type of car you have and approximate the amount of pollutants released - and tax your arse. Of course, where this would really pay off is with businesses.

And DF, I am one American who definently sees the destruction of Earth (the only class M planet we know of) as a problem.

[David Floyd]

Well I wouldn't worry about the destruction of earth, I'm sure technology will solve anything that comes up. Hey, I'm an optimist.

That, and the earth won't be destroyed in my lifetime. What can I say, I'm also a bastard.

[MichaeltheGreat]

9.8

Y'all move over, you're taking up my space.

[chequita guevara]

Rapa Nui. Rapa Nui. Rapa Nui!

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
David, so? Natural CO2 isn't the problem, nature compensates for that. Human CO2 is a net addition, however.

How does nature tell the difference?

[David Floyd]

9.8 Y'all move over, you're taking up my space.

Impressive total...but my 12.1 still reigns supreme!