sad thoughts on poly posters

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by red_jon
If the US hadn't joined WW2. Europe would likely have fallen to the Nazis, however, the Soviets would then have 'liberated' them.

I would personally think that the USSR and Britain would have ended up in a protacted battle with Germany, lasting several years beyond 1945. It would probably end in occupied countries liberating themselves through revolt after the Nazis became fatigued.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin


I would personally think that the USSR and Britain would have ended up in a protacted battle with Germany lasting several years, probably ending in occupied countries liberating themselves through revolt.

Even if this were the case, it would still have severely hindered the US cause in the Cold War. Still no handy German scientists and no European allies. I think if this happened Britain would have been much more Russia-friendly than American.

edit: and how do we know these European revolts wouldn't have been communist?

[Dauphin]

I don't disagree with your ultimate point, just your alternate history.

The US entered the war for self-interest, not to protect Democracy. If that were true they would have paid more attention to the activities in Europe in the 30s.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by red_jon
edit: and how do we know these European revolts wouldn't have been communist?

Remember the revolts against communism in the late 80s?

How do we know they weren't going to become fascists?

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin


Remember the revolts against communism in the late 80s?

How do we know they weren't going to become fascists?

Well I was just thinking that there would have been more communists as the Soviets had the same enemy. It would have been an easier alternative than trying to establish a democracy in the middle of a Nazi empire.

[Dauphin]

My point being, why would you want to overthrow one dictactorship and replace it with another

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
My point being, why would you want to overthrow one dictactorship and replace it with another

Because democracy had failed in their eyes? And I'm sure the communists wouldn't have seen it as the same as fascism.

[SlowwHand]

Re: sad thoughts on poly posters

Originally posted by jimmytrick
All of the anit-American crap I am seeing here, including some from Americans makes me glad that I will die some day and not be here to witness the little intellectual integrity and moral timber left in the world slide into the abyss.

America spent the first half of the last century fighting to save Europe from German oppression and the last half holding back the Soviet iron curtain. Now we want to attack terror at its root and few if any posters here credit America as being any better than the Nazis, Imperial Japanese, and Soviet Communists.

Who was willing to fight communism in Asia. We did. Badly, but we did it to prevent the world from being overun with communist evil that would have stripped from every corner of the world every last vestige of freedom and dignity.

And, setting aside the respect and thanks that we are due, the posters here have no sense of history.

I have lived long enough to understand why we must have these regular and horric wars. People are of bad moral character.

You tell 'em, Jimmy.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
The US entered the war for self-interest, not to protect Democracy. If that were true they would have paid more attention to the activities in Europe in the 30s.

The US entered the war they were attacked and no longer had any choice.

It were the Euros who had plenty of choices about how and when to address the 'German problem' who dithered and fussed and acted out of foolish ideas of self interest.

[MrFun]

Re: Re: sad thoughts on poly posters

Originally posted by SlowwHand




You tell 'em, Jimmy.

I think we always knew where your biases lie in regards to international issues and United States, and its history, Mr. Hyper-Patriot.

[SlowwHand]

I can do anthing I have a mind to.
Many people in many countries can't.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Richelieu




Right!

We had to have a fully independent vote in Parliament to do so, and only declared war on Sept. 9 1939, IIRC.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither


The US entered the war they were attacked and no longer had any choice.

It were the Euros who had plenty of choices about how and when to address the 'German problem' who dithered and fussed and acted out of foolish ideas of self interest.

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How so? Europe dithered, but so did the US (and for 2 years longer, too). At least the UK and France had the decency to make up their minds before they'd actually gotten a bloody nose...

[DarkCloud]

We spent from 1941-1945 doing that, which hardly constitutes half a Century. Oh, you're not one of those historical revisionists who asserts Germany was the evil villain in WWI as well, are you?

Ja. Germany wasn't good in WWI but neither were the brits

America were sort of ******** in WWI, they were allegedly giving equal aid to both sides, but were secretly helping the British.

And the Italians in WWI were traitors to their alliance

It may or may not have been best that way... But it could have

[DarkCloud]

BTW, some German rocket scientists were welcomed in America. How could you let these Nazis go free and live in your country?

They weren't nazis. they were fleeing them.

Einstein ring a bell?

And they expelled and persecuted others. Freud was one I believe.


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red_jon- I think that if the US satyed out and Germany had managed to take Britain, they would have been uncontested in Africa, and since they had the vast resources of cetnral europe, could have regrouped from Russia next to Germany (remember, the main reason that Germany had to send troops away from the Russian lines was the allied push) Therefore, Russia may have reclaimed their lands, but then Germany may have regrouped, forced Czechs, Austrians, etc. into their armies... used the Austrarian production capacity and force their way back into russia, maybe bog down because of the good WEstern Russian Generals.

However, I cannot really see a scenario with Russia winning without the US.

Remember Stalin kept screaming at the US to do something, an invasion, or anything.