Most idiotic assertion of conservatives.

[Giancarlo]

Sava I must respectfully disagree... redistributing wealth as you infer can lead to dire consquences.

And Sava, I did take economic courses last year.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Sava
With a 20 year mortgage, you often pay a total of ten times the value of your land

Not even close. That would require an interest rate somewhat greater than 15% (too lazy to actually derive an amortization formula).

[KrazyHorse]

So, unless you're borrowing on your credit card...

[Sava]

What, exactly are these dire consequences? Super rich billionaires will simply be multi-millionaires? OH NO, THAT IS SO WRONG... People will be able to afford higher education, health care, and society in general will function more efficiently? OH GOD NO, NOT THAT!!!

Face it guys... it must be very painful to admit I'm right because I'm such an 4sshole, but you've got to do it.

It just seems unbelievable to me that you think there is no problem that nearly 200 million people (in the US) are being held hostage economically by a small number of companies filling their pockets. But again, maybe that's my fault for believing that people are inherently good.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Conservatives are always afraid of the left because sooner of later, the left will win out.
Slavery? Segregation? The conservaties supported both, but in the long run, they were unable to keep people 'in their place.'
In the short run, the conservatives may be able to keep things from changing, but in the long run, the left has always won.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Frogger


Not even close. That would require an interest rate somewhat greater than 15% (too lazy to actually derive an amortization formula).

You were right, I was thinking about something else. It is usually about 2 times the total value.

[Giancarlo]

Lawrence, the left can kiss my ass. No way they will win.

Sava, you are wrong.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
Conservatives are always afraid of the left because sooner of later, the left will win out.
Slavery? Segregation? The conservaties supported both, but in the long run, they were unable to keep people 'in their place.'
In the short run, the conservatives may be able to keep things from changing, but in the long run, the left has always won.

Thanks Lawrence, you hit the nail right on the head. Conservatives want to preserve the status quo, or regress. And they succeed just as long as they keep the population happy enough. People were content living in feudal systems... until a certain point... people were content with slavery.... until a certain point... people were content with segregation.... until a certain point... the next revolution in the human existence is going to be one in terms of freeing society from being economic hostages and allowing people equal opprotunities to live long, productive lives. Eventually, there is going to be one huge middle class of people... some near the top, some near the bottom.... but everyone will have the chance to make something of themselves and get some of the pie.

[Sava]

... the good old blanket defense, eh, Fez? I expected more from you It's a good thing we aren't going out... you'd be on the couch tonight

Again... it's sad that some people don't want to see the end of poverty. Don't worry, even though I don't believe in the Judeo-Christian myths, I'm sure that when we die, everyone will be judged in some form or another. Those that believe in equality, justice, liberty, and overall fairness will have an advantage over the immoral people.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Sava
... the good old blanket defense, eh, Fez? I expected more from you

What can I say I am a teenager...

It's a good thing we aren't going out... you'd be on the couch tonight

With you on top and all over me? Sorry, Sava but I am one horny bastard...

Again... it's sad that some people don't want to see the end of poverty. Don't worry, even though I don't believe in the Judeo-Christian myths, I'm sure that when we die, everyone will be judged in some form or another. Those that believe in equality, justice, liberty, and overall fairness will have an advantage over the immoral people.

Umm... I am not an immoral person infact I have seen poverty at the most extreme. People having no place to live because a little ran caused their poorly built houses to collapse (Ecuador).

[leftover_crack]

in the end the left will win

This is very much untrue. History does not follow this pattern. The Roman empire and there liberal excess ways of life fell. Its all a pendulem. When the left goes to far the right pushes them back and vice versa. The Soviet Block just fell. The Soviet block was very leftist and was the champion of ultra-leftists.


FYI painting conservatives as opposing Slave liberation and other things is EXTREMELY misleading. If you are labeling anyone who opposes any event in history as a conservative. Than you should go back and re-examine the politics of the time. Lincoln was a Conservative for the time in all of his political aspects. Except on 1 issue, Slavery.

Understand? See if you infer Conservatives dont want change. Then you are misleading or misunderstanding the political spectrum and history of the person in question.


When america is sick of Redneck cowboys in the white house, well elect another Saxaphone player. And the pattern will continue. Socially, one can say the Liberal point of view always wins. This is true. But considering the last 100 years of Western Enlightment and Technological Renissance. All this comes to end soon. People are rolling back Liberal policies left and right here in america. Why? Liberal Policy tends to follow a line of how people feel at the moment and not common sense or preventive actions.

The saying goes in a liberal Parliament
"If the people are angry about milk prices lets fix the prices" - While bringing short term relief and not really solving a problem.

Meanwhile...the right says
"Lets put 500 and start up several dozen new farms in the next 10 years"- Offers no help whatsover until 10 years is around.

[Giancarlo]

Also the words "liberal" and "conservative" have changed dramatically in meaning in the past hundred years.

[leftover_crack]

Ya Im thinking the same thing. Anybody who thinks a conservative throughout all history is to be defined as someone who is opposed to change is really wrong.

[Juggernaut]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Could you operate an EKG machine? Could you perform open heart surgery? No? I didn't think so. Obviously it takes a special level of skill to do things like this, and people had to go to school for years in order to achieve this level of proficiency. They deserve every penny they make.

And on the contrary, they get to work on relatively interesting and stimulating tasks, while Joe Sixpack is doomed to cleans sewers. And as someone has to do it, why should he have a crap salary, doing mindless and repetitive ****, compared to the doctor.

Just showing you it isn't as simple as you think...

[Chris 62]

The other side of the coin, and the reminder of why I loathe Right-wingers so damn much.

Mr Fun, you also forgot to make this multi-option voting.

I wish we could eliminate political parties, and just vote on issues electronically, but that would be logical, and fair, so there is zero chance of it happening.