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  • #76
    Originally posted by connorkimbro
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    No, I am just really desperate.

    Nationalist: I fail to see your point. I am completely pro-free market and hate government interference... and I think differently. For now on I would like for you to not categorize me with your political beliefs because it just doesn't work.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #77
      Boris on Rush, et al:
      I said "Non-authoritarian," not "non-authoritative."


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      • #78
        The most idiotic assertion of conservatives is that the market should be left alone.
        Anyone with a frickin clue can tell that letting the government have tons of control over the economy is an ultimate good thing. This way everyone can get paid $100000 per hour, and goods can have a price ceiling on them at $0.01 each (even cars!). When will the idiot righties learn that we're all better off making $10B per year each with goods restricted at $0.01 each?
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #79
          Optomistic or Idealistic?

          also, is that canadian currency?
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          • #80
            That post was not to be taken seriously, btw.

            And there is no Canadian currency. It's all a big conspiracy.
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #81
              We just use maple syrup and hockey pucks....
              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
              Stadtluft Macht Frei
              Killing it is the new killing it
              Ultima Ratio Regum

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              • #82
                Don't worry; I try never to be serious.
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                • #83
                  Where is Canada? Isn't it that big state of the US up north?
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #84
                    laissez faire capitalism is anarchy... you don't let the inmates run the prison.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Sava
                      laissez faire capitalism is anarchy... you don't let the inmates run the prison.
                      What an incorrect correlation. So you let the state run the economy? So the economy screws up like that of the Soviet Union?
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #86
                        No, it's a balance.

                        COmmunism ---------- IDEAL ---------- Laissez Faire

                        The Ideal is somewhere in the middle. In terms of American Capitalism...

                        Communism ---------- IDEAL ---- American Cap ------ Laissez Faire

                        We need to be more to the left
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Sava
                          No, it's a balance.

                          COmmunism ---------- IDEAL ---------- Laissez Faire

                          The Ideal is somewhere in the middle. In terms of American Capitalism...

                          Communism ---------- IDEAL ---- American Cap ------ Laissez Faire

                          We need to be more to the left
                          Nobody is extreme laissez faire around here Sava, not even me. I do advocate policing of the economy so more Enron type incidents do not occur. I would be more towards the right though as I am against general government interference besides law enforcement.

                          And I am not for socialism, that is no ideal.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #88
                            All I want is free, or extremely low cost health-care and education. I also think that profiteering shouldn't run rampant in the energy industry. Don't think that I want extremely high progressive taxes, or the state taking property. I don't. I just look at the current situation in the US, and I think that corporate America is profiting off of some industries where profits should take a backseat to safety, health, and the general welfare of people.

                            The number thing that I would be for, is the creation of non-profit drug companies that would provide medical supplies and low cost drugs to people and hospitals. Drug companies are taking money left and right from the sick and needy.

                            The second thing that I would like to see done is more government intervention in the energy industry. If Reagan hadn't de-regulated things, Enron would have never even existed, let alone committed such a heinous act of greed. Enron's only function was buying energy from power plants, raising the price, and then selling it to consumers. They didn't produce one watt, one BTU of energy. They didn't improve its efficiency, or make it cleaner and less polluting. They simply raised the price to make money.

                            I think that certain industries could be almost laissez faire. Luxury goods, etc. Basically, things that people don't need to survive.

                            Education is another area where corporations should not be allowed to profit.

                            EDIT: Government as we know it is just a swollen bureaucracy. I sure as hell don't want some bureaucrat in charge of things. The problem in this country is that we elect politicians, bureaucrats, and greedy CEO's when we need leaders.
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • #89
                              Sava, you have your opinions and I have mine.

                              I think deregulation was good in the energy market as Reagan was completely right about the economy. Additionally, free or low cost health care and education? How would you achieve this without raising taxes? I really want to know.

                              I think most if not all industries should be laissez faire but law enforcement must be apparent.

                              You have your leaders... CEOs are better than some hot air windbag political activist.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #90
                                Fez, the only "good" thing (and I use that term loosely) that came from de-regulation of the energy market was that Enron type companies made money. And they made that money at the expense of consumers. So I ask you... is it better that consumers have more money, or energy trading corporations?

                                Second... public schools in the United States are funded by tax-payer money. I would suggest the creation of non-profit corporation(s) that would serve as publishers, suppliers, and be responsible for hiring and maintaining a high standard for teachers. All things being equal, this would lower costs. After that is done, I would lower property taxes and pass the savings on to the tax payer. Consumers have more money.

                                As for health care. I would do the same non-profit thing for drug companies and medical suppliers. Which would drastically reduce costs across the board. Did you know that, for instance, companies routinely have profit margins of 2,000% on medical supplies? And drug companies are just plain evil. There is more than enough info out there. All things being equal, you lower the cost of health care to the consumer based on the savings. Consumer have more money.

                                With the combined savings from just those two industries, consumers would save enough money to be able to buy more. This would strengthen the economy. The only loser(s) in all of this are the CEO's and executives that won't be getting huge bonuses and outrageous salaries from these non-profit entities. You could even pay employees who work for these companies slightly more and still have a susbstantial savings for the consumer.

                                This is more of an indirect way of re-distributing wealth down to the lower classes. But keep in mind, that most of this wealth would be put back into the economy in the form of luxury goods.

                                Sure, my model is little more than scratchings on a napkin. But the basic concepts are sound and could be implemented rather easily. What, in particular, do you disagree with here Fez?
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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