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  • #151
    Originally posted by loinburger

    IIRC, there's speculation that there's life on Europa (one of Jupiter's moons). I have no idea how much evidence supports the speculations, though.
    The evidence consists mostly of evidence that there is liquid water and an energy source and the right elements. That may be enough for some form of life if there is enough of the right chemicals and Europa should have enough of the right elements anyway. Life is concievable there but that is it so far.

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    • #152
      Originally posted by Gary


      A reasonable point, I wasn't clear enough. If there is a start to this universe, and that seems to be the case, then I am making my assumptions regarding cause and effect to this universe that I am aware of. I make no assumption about before, as there was no before if the universe didn't exist.
      You DID make an assumption about before. You assumed the Universe needed a cause.

      That's not how I see it. That's an assumption you have made because you've applied cause and effect outside of this universe as well. But even if you are correct, you have not only proved there to be a God, but an infinite series of them. That may be so, but is besides the point. One will do for now.
      No. That was reducio ad absurdum not proof of a god. If your assumption leeds to an infinite regression you most likely have a bad assumption.

      'The world is held upon the backs of elephants that are standing on turtles'

      What are the turtles standing on?

      'Oh no you don't, its turtles ALL THE WAY DOWN'

      Thats the same absurdity as an infinite regresion of gods.

      Then you've lost your initial cause for this universe, which was one of the assumptions stated at the start, and a very reasonable one I believe.
      I didn't lose a cause. I gave up an unjustifiable assumption. Your assumption results in an infinite regression unless you put a wholely arbritary stop on it. I just put the stop in earlier which is simpler. One less turn of the assumption machine.

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      • #153
        About Europa, the cracks on the icy surface, which support the existance of liquid water below, have a certain color, which may indicate organic (living or dead) material.
        <Kassiopeia> you don't keep the virgins in your lair at a sodomising distance from your beasts or male prisoners. If you devirginised them yourself, though, that's another story. If they devirginised each other, then, I hope you had that webcam running.
        Play Bumps! No, wait, play Slings!

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        • #154
          Let's say for the sake of argument that there is a god. What does he/she do now? What is its function? What does it do on a day to day basis? The universe has already been created and everything seems to be working, so what is a day in the life of a supreme being like?
          "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
          —Orson Welles as Harry Lime

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          • #155
            People still die everyday and need to be judged.
            <Kassiopeia> you don't keep the virgins in your lair at a sodomising distance from your beasts or male prisoners. If you devirginised them yourself, though, that's another story. If they devirginised each other, then, I hope you had that webcam running.
            Play Bumps! No, wait, play Slings!

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            • #156
              I see a lot of my arguments and comments are being ignored. Why? I'm replying to 98% of your (PH, Ethelred) arguments.........
              Formerly known as "CyberShy"
              Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori

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              • #157
                Originally posted by Lemmy
                People still die everyday and need to be judged.
                So his job description is judge?
                "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
                —Orson Welles as Harry Lime

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                • #158
                  Some don't need a reply. If you want to bring them up again then I will give you a reply. I only commented where I thought it warranted. I didn't evade anything if that is what are thinking.

                  Many of your arguements have been dealt with many times before. I am only replying to your arguements not making any of my own except the obvious one.

                  There is no way to prove the existance or non-existance of a sufficiently general god.

                  Your version of god is not that vague. It entails a world we do not live in but that is not the point of this thread. That one sentence above covers the whole thing. I am only responding to comments I find unsuportable by any evidence here. I stayed out of it till someone made a silly comment about the square root of negative one.

                  Threads with titles like this are just trolls and were never intended for a serious discussion. I usually stay out of them till someone says something I can't restrain myself from commenting on. Creationism will do that because its so plainly a denial of the world we live in.

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                  • #159
                    Originally posted by CyberShy
                    I see a lot of my arguments and comments are being ignored. Why? I'm replying to 98% of your (PH, Ethelred) arguments.........
                    I can see why... most of your posts are not logical... and lack any sense.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #160
                      If you guys try really, really hard you can figure this out all on your own.
                      Now concentrate. Focus. Use the mind God gave you.



                      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                      "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                      • #161
                        Sloww, put a sock in it. You have no right to say what is what. My mind was not created by any higher being because no such being exists.

                        And all I see there is a spectrum of light.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #162
                          I have as much right as anyone, Fez.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #163
                            And so do I.

                            Let me have my beliefs, peacefully.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #164
                              Fez, you get bound up too easily, too tightly.
                              It wasn't directed just at you, nor even especially to you.
                              But you want it. you got it. I'll certainly leave you alone.
                              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                              • #165
                                You're awfully quick to claim that your rights take precedence over others', Fez. That's not a good habit to get into.
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