Your political views

[alofatti]

Sava: I wasn´t clear enough in my post. I wasn´t criticizing your system, I was questioning the current system (it was supposed to be a reply to DinoDoc).

[Sava]

huh, I wasn't talking to you alofatti, don't worry ... the current system does suck.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Sava
loinburger: but part of the pillar of atheism is that they are absolutely sure that there is no god or gods,

No, the one and only guarantee with an atheist is that he/she doesn't believe in god(s)--that is the one and only pillar of atheism. This does not necessarily mean that an atheist believes that there is/are no god(s)--many atheists, like me, neither believe in god(s) nor disbelieve in god(s). They have few, if any, metaphysical beliefs.

Atheists are wrong because they can't disprove the theists god(s) existence.

Many atheists, like me, believe that it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of god(s). That doesn't mean that we need to believe in them.

[Sava]

Then you are an agnostic, not an atheist... go back to school and take a survey of religion course.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Sava
Then you are an agnostic, not an atheist... go back to school and take a survey of religion course.

Agnosticism is an epistemological belief, not a metaphysical belief. Go back to school and learn about the different branches of philosophy.

Definition of an atheist:
1. An Atheist has no religious belief. An Atheist does not believe in a god or gods, or other supernatural entities.

[Sava]

a·the·ist Pronunciation Key (th-st)
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

thank you, come again....

[chequita guevara]

Don't use dictionaries in philosophical debates. They are notoriously limited.

[loinburger]

Sava: So you're saying that American Atheists doesn't know what an atheist is? Interesting...

I also note that you ignored my argument that agnosticism is an epistemological belief and not a metaphysical belief. I can only assume that you are diligently searching for inaccurate dictionaries in order to refute me, so I'll save you the trouble and clarify exactly what an agnostic is...

An agnostic does not deny the existence of God and heaven but holds that one cannot know for certain whether or not they exist. The term agnostic was fittingly coined by the 19th-century British scientist Thomas H. Huxley, who believed that only material phenomena were objects of exact knowledge. He made up the word from the prefix a-, meaning “without, not,” as in amoral, and the noun Gnostic. Gnostic is related to the Greek word gnsis, “knowledge,” which was used by early Christian writers to mean “higher, esoteric knowledge of spiritual things” hence, Gnostic referred to those with such knowledge. In coining the term agnostic, Huxley was considering as “Gnostics” a group of his fellow intellectuals“ists,” as he called themwho had eagerly embraced various doctrines or theories that explained the world to their satisfaction. Because he was a “man without a rag of a label to cover himself with,” Huxley coined the term agnostic for himself, its first published use being in 1870.

Agnosticism is the belief that metaphysical knowledge is impossible to acquire, therefore it is an epistemological belief (relating to knowledge) and not a metaphysical belief.

[HazieDaVampire]

my score was
Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 0.10

[chequita guevara]

An Agnostic is simply an atheist who's hedging his bets.

[Sava]

Well, sorry, but the term atheist has a set definition that is part of the English language. Atheists might consider themselves to have different beliefs than described in the definition. But its just like the "People's Republic of China"

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Sava
Well, sorry, but the term atheist has a set definition that is part of the English language.

Yeah, it's a real simple definition--a theist is someone who believes in god(s), and an atheist is somebody who is not a theist. The law of the excluded middle applies here--somebody is either a theist or an atheist. Saying that somebody does not believe in god(s) (or disbelieves in god(s)) is not equivalent to saying that somebody believes that there is/are no god(s), and the fact that you seem to think otherwise is no excuse for you to turn condescending.

[Sava]

What do you mean turn? I'm always condesceding to people.

[loinburger]

Ah, in that case carry on.

[DarkCloud]

I taken test on page you gived (politicalcompass.org), and it seems I am 4 to authoritarian side and 3 to right...

DarkCloaud, I know what you mean. I also have radical views at some things and people calls me neo-nazi. But, as that poll shown, I am not so authoritarian or right

My political compass score was less than 0.30 Economic Right, and less than 0.17 on Authoritarian right, if i remember correctly.

Sonic- I made an old chart, and if you consider most people's ratings, you are far to the right on authoritarianism-

Okay, hopefully this EXCEL graph posts correctly-

" Econ Left/Right Authoritarian/Libertarian Rightist/Leftist
Weidt (EU) -7.13 -7.49 -7.31
celedhring (EU) -6.88 -7.59 -7.235
Sheilbh (EU) -6 -8.46 -7.23
Danzig (EU) -7 -7.08 -7.04
Tau Ceti -6.75 -6.67 -6.71
Provost Harrison -6.88 -6.51 -6.695
Andy -6.63 -6.05 -6.34
Pirate Scum (EU) -5.63 -7.03 -6.33
Cunctator (EU) -4.88 -7.59 -6.235
Lethke (EU) -6.25 -6 -6.125
ColonyPod -4.75 -6.46 -5.605
Gerle (EU) -5.88 -3.54 -4.71
orange -5.38 -4 -4.69
Blade! (EU) -6.25 -2.62 -4.435
Teutonto (EU) -3.38 -4.21 -3.795
Orioles3386 -4.5 -2.77 -3.635
Chris Wilkinson -4 -1.9 -2.95
LUDWIG (EU) -3.13 -2.51 -2.82
friefrench (EU) -1.38 -3.28 -2.33
Zagys (EU) -1 -3.44 -2.22
reismark -0.38 -4 -2.19
Martinus (EU) 3.5 -7.49 -1.995
ColdWizard -0.63 -2.51 -1.57
Playa del Carmen -0.13 -2.51 -1.32
Linus (EU) -2.13 0.26 -0.935
Christmas 2.5 -2.77 -0.135
Laser -2.5 2.67 0.085
Gareth_Edmunson 3.13 -2.82 0.155
DarkCloud 0.13 0.26 0.195
savronela (EU) 3.5 -2.88 0.31
King (EU) 1.5 -0.21 0.645
Caesar the Great 2 -0.21 0.895
DinoDoc 4.13 -1.95 1.09
Monoriu (EU) 8.88 -3.59 2.645
Gregory (EU) 4.5 1.44 2.97
David Comnenus (EU) 3.75 3.03 3.39

-2.00 -3.57 -2.78
"

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