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  • #121
    "To remove him CIA and Pakistan intelegence supported the Taliban and new civil war in Afghanistan."

    The U.S. never "supported" the Taliban as a group. We had lost interest for several years before the Taliban controlled more than 5% or so of the country.

    We were disinterested in the region until the fall of Kabul. Then mostly became interested because OBL was on the radar screen.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #122
      Originally posted by DinoDoc
      Am I the only one that finds it amusing that a Russian is lecturing the US about human rights and against invading other countries for the heck of it?

      You (Americans) are constantly whining that Russians are evil monsters who constantly violate human rights (I wonder why you didn't include us in axis of evil yet). Why I can't remind to you that you are far not the saints too?
      It's just a little revenge.

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      • #123
        Originally posted by DanS
        "To remove him CIA and Pakistan intelegence supported the Taliban and new civil war in Afghanistan."

        The U.S. never "supported" the Taliban as a group.

        Oh please don't brake my conspire theory.

        We were disinterested in the region until the fall of Kabul. Then mostly became interested because OBL was on the radar screen.
        Oh sure, pro-Soviet president of Afghanistan was acceptable for you and Pakistan, right?

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        • #124
          Check your dates and you'll see that the Taliban was basically nowhere until about '94.

          Really, we couldn't have cared less about Afghanistan for a good 10 year stretch. We abandoned it after the great patriotic struggle against the Allah-hating commie Russkiis.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #125
            What do you mean "basically nowhere"?

            We abandoned it after the great patriotic struggle against the Allah-hating commie Russkiis.

            Patriotic struggle only of half of Afghanistan. The other half of population was pretty enjoyed freindship with Russkies who build for free every Afghan factory, who created modern infrastructure there, and brings benefits of modern civilization to medieval Afganistan, (for a price of Communist ideology of course )
            Last edited by Serb; August 23, 2002, 00:45.

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            • #126
              The Taliban wasn't formed until late '94.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #127
                So what?
                We didn't leave Afghanistan untill 1989. And when we left it, there was period of peace, when Nagibula created a coalition government. But he still was a president, a president who was a freind of Russkies.

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                • #128
                  We didn't care about the president, we didn't care about the friendship with the Russkiis and Iran, and we didn't care about the whole goddamn country.

                  Once the Soviet army left, Afghanistan vanished from our collective consciousness for about 10 years.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #129
                    So, you are just a nice guys then who gift their money to everyone?
                    You spent a lot of $$$ for this war. And when Russians leave and left pro-Russian president as head of Afghanistan, you just forget about this country and your expenses, just because there was no Russian army there anymore.Right?
                    And sure you didn't care much about amount of $$$ you spent and don't wanted to put pro-American president.

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                    • #130
                      No, we didn't care a whit. We closed our Kabul embassy in '90 (edit: in fact, we closed it in '89), and the extent of our involvement in the whole of Afghanistan for a good 10 years (besides a few stray cruise missiles) was to make sure the 4 or 5 Afghan staffmembers of the embassy were paid their salaries.
                      Last edited by DanS; August 23, 2002, 01:25.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #131
                        Are you sure about this?
                        As far as I remember during Korenean and Vietnam wars a lot of people died because of previously unknown diseases.
                        Such as?

                        I already said, that I would like to hear this story.
                        Halabaja for one. An entire Kurdish village gassed because of a suspicion that it's inhabitants were aiding the Iranians. Not to mention the frequent use of chemical warfare against Iranian combat troops, particularly during the Basra campaign in 1987.

                        Are you trying to say that effects of radiation weren't known to scientists? A lot of scientists and workers who worked with radiactive materials died because of radiation. And it was long before Manheten project. Do you think scientists who worked under creation of A-bombs could be able to finish their work, if they didn't knew about effects of radiation and didn't took precautions?
                        I have never seen any information on this. Can you provide some?

                        It doesn't kill very quicly always. Sometimes you are dying very slowly and very painfully, I guess it comparable with horrors of death camps. The worst thing that it also afect future generations of people.
                        And how many people exactly died in that manner after th A-bombing? I'm not trying to say it was nice, but that the Japanese were worse. Now, as I said, this particular argument is not relevant to the discussion.

                        Do you really think that somebody on this planet is crazy enough to attack USA with nuclear weapons?
                        OBL would like to. You may think that would suicidal, but you have to ask: is anything that the US can do directly to OBL worse than what it's doing right now?

                        Of course not. First 14 years of my life I spent in country of Soviets.
                        Do you think that the USSR you spent 14 years of your life in was even vaguely similar to the Stalinist one?

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                        • #132
                          Then mostly became interested because OBL was on the radar screen.
                          Wasn't the US negotiating to build a pipeline in Afghanistan right before Sept 11th?
                          Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                          • #133
                            actually the taliban were WILLING to give OBL to the americans.

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                            • #134
                              actually the taliban were WILLING to give OBL to the americans.
                              Actually they said that if the US handed over the evidence against him they'd try him under Islamic law. Any guesses as to what the result would have been?
                              Last edited by GeneralTacticus; August 23, 2002, 20:03.

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                              • #135
                                ObL awarded by Taliban?
                                Last edited by Serb; August 25, 2002, 23:31.

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