Hello all...went on a train ride today.

[Jon Miller]

Re: The world according to Asher...

Originally posted by Lancer
Telling Sneak he has a "bastard child" isn't calling Prosper a bastard.

please Lancer

back down for right now

we don't need the return of conflict

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Oh, and as for sneak's glorious theory on me using the bastard child comment first, it's FALSE.

Read the thread for yourself.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58266&perpage=50&pagenumber=14

The dialog (in brief)
Sneak:

Who wouldn't...it's the human experience in microcosm. You've got dicks, chicks, ******, hicks, licks...you name it. Old vs. young, gays in denial, lots of "research"...whew. Somebody should print this.
And send it to Dave's parents.

10 seconds to blast off.
Little boys aren't so nasty when you piss them off.

About 50 posts later:
I wrote:

Wow, weren't you the one bragging about your "potential six figure income" and how you're such a successful man that you married your wife in Vegas and had a bastard child?

Suddenly all of your glorious theories (Sneak, blackice, Lancer) just came tumbling down when it became clear that Sneak's the one that went and hit REALLY ****ing below the belt, and you guys have the balls to criticize ME for saying he has a bastard child?

Get real!

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by red_jon
Why do I get the feeling that if Supersneak had been young, not American and left-wing, he actually would have been perma-banned?

do oyu know how many people have gotten mad and and threatened posters (much worse than SuperSneak) in apolyton history?

it has happened often, and people have been banned for it (but not permabanned)

and for most it is a one or two time thing

the mods and admins have dealt with this before

it is not some sort of gay or left wing (asher is right wing, BTW) persecution

Jon Miller

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by blackice


Why? Do not bring their family into it. That is easy to understand is it not?

Posted by blackice on Counterglow.

I bet his parents know already is right. The longer he holds out the harder it will get. Shame he has been raised that he can not talk to them about extreme reality.

Insinuation and passing judgement on people's family is OK then, blackice?

[OneFootInTheGrave]

the conflict has already returned... but Sneak has opted out this time.

Ah well... this thread will get closed soon... where are the mods?

And Asher ... you can always do a DL to argue for MSFT

[Lancer]

You're a reasonable person Blackice.

[Boris Godunov]

JM--I can't recall anyone seriously threatening to do something to someone in real life here, so you're exaggerating.

Nonetheless, SS didn't just make the threat as a passing comment once. He made it several times and indicated he was serious in the threat. There should be NO tolerance for that.

If I threatened to contact Ming's wife, I'd hope he'd ban the hell out of me forever. SS should get the same treatment.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Asher
Oh, and as for sneak's glorious theory on me using the bastard child comment first, it's FALSE.

Read the thread for yourself.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58266&perpage=50&pagenumber=14

The dialog (in brief)
Sneak:

Who wouldn't...it's the human experience in microcosm. You've got dicks, chicks, ******, hicks, licks...you name it. Old vs. young, gays in denial, lots of "research"...whew. Somebody should print this.
And send it to Dave's parents.

10 seconds to blast off.
Little boys aren't so nasty when you piss them off.

About 50 posts later:
I wrote:

Wow, weren't you the one bragging about your "potential six figure income" and how you're such a successful man that you married your wife in Vegas and had a bastard child?

Suddenly all of your glorious theories (Sneak, blackice, Lancer) just came tumbling down when it became clear that Sneak's the one that went and hit REALLY ****ing below the belt, and you guys have the balls to criticize ME for saying he has a bastard child?

Get real!

those are the posts that everyone is getting all excited about?

wow you guys (both sides) need to take a chill break

take a step back and look at yourselves

Jon Miller
this would be funny if people I liked were not getting themselves hurt over this

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Read the Counterglow thread, Lancer. Then tell me how reasonable he is.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller

those are the posts that everyone is getting all excited about?

wow you guys (both sides) need to take a chill break

take a step back and look at yourselves

Jon Miller
this would be funny if people I liked were not getting themselves hurt over this

Jon, I don't think you understand what it's like for a closeted gay teen to be threatened multiple times by someone (who does have the capability) to out them to the parents.

I'm not exaggerating when I say it's terrifying, and it's (by far) a more real and serious threat than the usual physical threats, not to mention could have far worse consequences...

I'm pissed off that he only got a week for it, I'm pissed off he never even hinted at an apology to me for it, and I'm pissed off that he even had the balls to come here and on counterglow and tell blatant lies to try to excuse his actions, and I'm really pissed off that people like blackice and Lancer rallied behind him and jumped on my case for something that was provoked by Sneak, not vice versa.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
it is not some sort of gay or left wing (asher is right wing, BTW) persecution

Jon Miller

I know Asher's a righty, I was reffering to me! Ming is so mean to me! *sobs*

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
JM--I can't recall anyone seriously threatening to do something to someone in real life here, so you're exaggerating.

Nonetheless, SS didn't just make the threat as a passing comment once. He made it several times and indicated he was serious in the threat. There should be NO tolerance for that.

If I threatened to contact Ming's wife, I'd hope he'd ban the hell out of me forever. SS should get the same treatment.

and I can recall several instances with real threats

and you have to take into account the feelings involved (they were both royally pissed off), unless you know otherwise, you don't take threats seriously that people make when they are mad if you know it is not in their nature to do what they are threatening

what would you threaten to contact Ming's wife about?

Jon Miller

[Boris Godunov]

JM - I believe the opposite. As I said, moderators are not qualified psychologists who can make the judgement call that such threats are harmless and the person making them has no intention of following through. If they are to err on the side of caution, that caution is harsh treatment of the offending poster. Real people have been murdered by online nutballs, so I don't think it's unrealistic.

It was a hypothetical situation with Ming. I wouldn't ever threaten to contact anyone's family from here, as I think that's an utterly reprehensible threat to make.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Asher

Jon, I don't think you understand what it's like for a closeted gay teen to be threatened multiple times by someone (who does have the capability) to out them to the parents.

I'm not exaggerating when I say it's terrifying, and it's (by far) a more real and serious threat than the usual physical threats, not to mention could have far worse consequences...

I'm pissed off that he only got a week for it, I'm pissed off he never even hinted at an apology to me for it, and I'm pissed off that he even had the balls to come here and on counterglow and tell blatant lies to try to excuse his actions, and I'm really pissed off that people like blackice and Lancer rallied behind him and jumped on my case for something that was provoked by Sneak, not vice versa.

I admit I do not know that much about your life

I only know a little bit about my own (and a even smaller ammount of some of those arround me)

I knwo that I would have no problem with my parents thinking I am gay (or being told so), even when I am not

he should have appologised for it and (I have not read all the posts involved and do not plan to now) trhe week bans were put in place just to cool you both off (I beleive)

blackice and you have problems and Lancer will stick by his freind, so ignore them

this conflict is not worth it (I think superneak has said that he will not be contacting your parents)

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
Why? Do not bring their family into it. That is easy to understand is it not?

He threatened me about 50 posts earlier with outting me to my parents, so perhaps you should take your righteous hate towards me and direct it towards your buddy SuperSneak?

Seems to me he has admitted wrong and tried to be nice to you several times.

This is bull****, he has not.

Seems to me that you are the one milking this (Crying) the loudest here. You took his niceties and threw them in his face and continue to do so. In my books that makes him a better man hands down.

He didn't make any niceties, he was trying to cover his ass by telling lies. He told lies which made me look like I randomly called his son a "bastard", which is NOT TRUE. Then you try to use my anger about this against me? Figures.

You’re still not man enough to admit you called his child a bastard child thus bringing his child into it. Color it any way you like, it was not called for period admit it and move on.

HE THREATENED TO OUT ME TO MY ****ING PARENTS.
And as I've said repeatedly, the comment was NOT INTENDED AS AN INSULT TO HIS SON, but as an insult to SNEAK because I was pissed off at him.