Are you for or against capital punishment?

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Why, was your little girl raped and murdered? How I might feel about a person who injured me directly, and about a person who has not affected my in any way are two different things.

The sad fact is, you are almost as disgusting a person, because you enjoy the thought of committing torture. You rationalize it away by claiming that these are unworthy people, but the fact is, if you can torture them, you can torture anyone. You're ****ing sick. The world needs to be protected from sick ****s like you.

herm... I dont recall ever saying I wanted to torture them... only that they are proably deserving of torture, after doing such a thing to a child. I dont understand your rationalization of

but the fact is, if you can torture them, you can torture anyone.

. Does that make any sense to anybody else? Just because (hypothetically, though i truley dont believe in torcher, it is just horriblly inhuman) you can torture murderer/rapist/ pedaphiles, does NOT mean you could torture anybody. That is just like saying if you could put murderers to death, then you could out anybody to death. Or if you could put thieves i jail, you could put anybody in jail. There is no rational thought behind what you said.

EDIT: At least that is the case in the US because we have laws nd reguations that are put in place by the people and are followed by public servants. I dont know what it si like in your country. That very well may not be the case. And if that be, i am very sorry for you.

[nationalist]

That is complete BS, Che. I can't even understand how you can believe the stuff that you post. He is not dreaming of torturing just another Joe on the street, he is stating outrage against a sick killer. It is not a mere rationalization. This murderer IS AN UNWORTHY PERSON!
He deserves death for his heinous crime. If you aren't outraged by his crime then you are the sick ****. What is wrong with you? You still haven't answered me.What would you do about this situation? You have problems, Che.

[Lord Merciless]

I would not torture anyone. The worst I'll ever do to a bad guy is to let nature deal with him/her.

Back to topic. Che, you seem to have more sympathy with murderers than with victims.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Kramerman
herm... I dont recall ever saying I wanted to torture them...

Let me refresh your memory...

Death is a cake walk compared to what I would do if put in a room with a sicko like that...

One would naturally assume that you were referring to torture here...

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by loinburger


Let me refresh your memory...



One would naturally assume that you were referring to torture here...

I see....
Well I was refering to jacking them a few time in the jaw, but i guess that could be considered torture, even from my weak arms. But that was all in fantasy none the less. I would never enter a room with a killer for two reasons, 1) I am a scrawny-ass teenager who would get his ass kicked (probably murdered...), 2) I am not a violent person, and unless I was totally enraged - say by him raping my child - then I would not have what it takes to strike him.
Edit: I know I could never have what it takes to torture someone, no matter what. After hearing the first scream of pain I would probably start crying and run away....

Kman

[loinburger]

Originally posted by nationalist
He deserves death for his heinous crime.

When Che called Kramer a sick ****, I'm pretty sure that he was referring to Kramer's desire to torture somebody, not necesarily his desire to kill somebody. So, did you mean to say "he deserves to be tortured for his heinous crime"?

If you aren't outraged by his crime then you are the sick ****.

Did Che say he wasn't outraged? Saying "You're a sick **** for wanting to torture somebody" is not equivalent to saying "murder is good." In fact, it's saying pretty much the opposite, so I'm not sure how you managed to draw the conclusion that Che is pleased by murder...

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
Che, you seem to have more sympathy with murderers than with victims.

What makes you draw that conclusion? From what I've read, he hasn't seemed very sympathetic to murderers, unless you think that "doesn't think that torture is just" is equivalent to "molly-coddles murders."

[Provost Harrison]

I must say that the concept of capital punishment fills me with ambivalence...I can't say I have sympathy for the elimination of murderers and other such related thugs, but my concern is just the execution of someone who is innocent by mistake...and lets face it, it is not as rare as we think.

So with this thought in mind, against.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Kramerman
2) I am not a violent person, and unless I was totally enraged - say by him raping my child - then I would not have what it takes to strike him.

Do you mean you'd strike him during the crime, or after? I mean, I'd have no compunction against twisting off somebody's neck if they were in the process of, say, killing somebody, but twisting off their neck after the fact wouldn't accomplish much except make me a murderer.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by loinburger


What makes you draw that conclusion? From what I've read, he hasn't seemed very sympathetic to murderers, unless you think that "doesn't think that torture is just" is equivalent to "molly-coddles murders."

Really? He seems to be more upset about victims(family members) venting their angers than murderers carrying out their heineous deeds.

[Kramerman]

When Che called Kramer a sick ****, I'm pretty sure that he was referring to Kramer's desire to torture somebody, not necesarily his desire to kill somebody. So, did you mean to say "he deserves to be tortured for his heinous crime"?

I dont have a desire to torure people! Would yall quit saying this. And perhaps such a person is deserving of torture, but I am not the one who could make that decision, nor the one to enforce it *shivers*.
Again, let me reiterate if your child is ever brutalized, I am sure you would have the desire to torture them. You, like myself, would probably never go through with it if you had the chance, but you would still be gald that he is going to be out to death none the less.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by paiktis22
I dont think you will ever and under all circumstances be certain that no inoccent will be convicted.

You are correct that no one will ever be able to give an absolute garrentee that an innocent person won't be convicted. With the correct system the number can be made vanishingly small but you cannot erase it beyond a shadow of a doubt. But this is a numbers game where you must weight the good verses the bad.

If one innocent life is lost but 10,000 innocent lives are saved because the killer was detered then I'd say we were still 9,999 innocent lives ahead. It sucks if your that one but it also sucks if you become one of the women a rapist kills after he's done or a man walking down the street who gets killed for his Swiss watch.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless


Really? He seems to be more upset about victims(family members) venting their angers than murderers carrying out their heineous deeds.

I get that impression too. But perhaps I am misunderstanding him, like everyone misunderstood me as meaning "I want to torture people" when that is not what i truely want.

[Provost Harrison]

I think what Che is trying to say is that revenge is no basis for a legal/penal system.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Oerdin


You are correct that no one will ever be able to give an absolute garrentee that an innocent person won't be convicted. With the correct system the number can be made vanishingly small but you cannot erase it beyond a shadow of a doubt. But this is a numbers game where you must weight the good verses the bad.

If one innocent life is lost but 10,000 innocent lives are saved because the killer was detered then I'd say we were still 9,999 innocent lives ahead. It sucks if your that one but it also sucks if you become one of the women a rapist kills after he's done or a man walking down the street who gets killed for his Swiss watch.

you can get the same result with convicting them in jail for life.

that way you're protecting society but if they are inoccents they can get out (and receive a huge compensation).