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  • #61
    drake, well.. at the time of war, the country is having hard time, exceptional time, and everyone must pull very hard together to work it. It's exceptional time, so there are exceptinoal rules. I don't believe it's cool to execute someone because of deserting. Only in cases of shooting own people at purpose if not mentally ill (Yeah, and who's not in those situations) or massacring innocent civilians (enemys) or maybe bad bad treason like giving absolutly essential information to the enemy.

    It's exceptional times, and it's the matter of surviving or destruction for many countries, maybe this doesn't include to big powers. So in the matter of surviving, everyone must blend to the mold, to fight the enemy, to survive. No exceptions.
    And that's when you're being invaded, not attacking even if it's for own defense.
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    • #62
      as a sidenote I must add, that it wouldn't include enemy soldiers. They could be imprisoned, but after war returned, and let them deside what they want to do.
      Only own people, in extreme cases.

      But this doesn't mean I like it very much. It means I would accept it. If there would be no law of possible death penalties at war time, that would be much better.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by FlameFlash
        You give a criminal a shovel and force him/her to dig a hole big enough for them to sit in and lay in (think digging your own grave.)
        ...
        IIRC, that's how gaols used to work in some places--you dug your own prison. (Rather than have the prisoner dig a hole too deep to climb out of, though, the prisoner was instead given a limited amount of time in which to dig his/her hole, after which the gaol had bars put over it to prevent escape. The prisoner would want to dig as deep a hole as possible, though, in order to prevent drowning when it rained into his/her gaol.)
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        • #64
          I like that too loinburger.
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          • #65
            The death penalty certainly does act as a deterent to a great many, but not all, people. You can't take the minority of people, to whom the death penalty didn't act as a deterent, and extrapolate "see it doesn't work". What about silent cases you never hear about because the killer decids not to comite homicide?
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            • #66
              Yes, I too laugh at people that think the have God's all knowing sight and can say that it has never been a deterrent for ANYONE. Especially with documented statements by prisoners that used plastic guns in robberies to avoid stiffer sentences including the DP. It's just a standard line people use to justify their position. THEY CAN"T POSSIBLY KNOW. Especially those that throw out non relevant statistics. Statistics don't measure a man's soul.
              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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              • #67
                I'm for death penalty for suicide bombers
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by drake
                  I thought they exchanged recipes and sewed together.....and played parcheesi

                  Damn! You got to this one before I could...
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Q Cubed
                    i am against the death penalty in the case of humans. in animals, i don't think it makes a whit of difference.

                    that said: i don't think many on earth right now qualifes as "human". a human being is intelligent, using reason, logic, and emotion in a manner which allows it to grow and learn from past mistakes, assimilate new knowledge by observation, and can retain that information for future use.

                    until humans can show that they learn from past mistakes, there will always be a death penalty, whether or not it seems just or fair.

                    on a species-wide level, humans haven't shown that they learn from past mistakes. humans haven't proven that they are any better than animals. you have idiotic animals who don't realize that a suicide bomber killing innocent youth leads to an advanced tank crushing more children leading to yet another suicide bomber, ad infinitum.

                    i don't like the death penalty. the sanctity of human life is among the highest and most treasured things in existence.

                    i just don't think many of us qualify for such consideration.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Zkribbler
                      Against.

                      If there were any credible evidence that the death penalty served as a deterrent, I would support it. But there is none. Indeed, I have concluded the death penalty probably encourages murder.

                      When society kills someone with premeditation, this act sends a message that killing can be justified. Thus, members of the populous, when faced with a problem, are increasingly likely to turn to letal force as a solution.

                      The U.S. is the only industrialized nation to still have the death penalty. The U.S. also has the highest murder rate of any industrialized nation. It's clear that something in the U.S. legal system is not working.

                      One final note: The vast majority of murderers are not Mafia hit men or even criminals. They're citizens who get liquored up and, in a fit of anger & stupidity, take out an annoying spouse or some poor bastard living down the block. Most of the above posts seem oblivious to this fact.
                      I believe the reason why the US has the highest murder rate has very little if anything to do with our legal sytem (and if it did, it would have probably nothing to do with the DP). The reason why our crime is so high is for many factors. Our huge diversity of race, religion, politics, etc, although contribut vastly to our culture, it creates conflicts where crime is more likely. Also, US has lost much of its 'family values'that rear children on ethics and morals. And then you have this liberal (im not a conservative) bullsh1t on child rearing, about 'letting them discover themselves" and 'dont yell at young children, it could scar them for life' sh1t like that. Please, I was never spanked as a child, but I had the **** screamed out of me many a time - and I think I turned out alright, my most major offense being sneaking candy into a movie theater. These are just a few of the many, many factors of the US' crime problem.
                      Im telling you, corporal punishment would change that in just a matter of years. But then you'll have people cryong that its 'cruel and unusal'. Please.I bet once you get mugged or raped on a city street, you would change your toon...

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                      • #71
                        I am completely for Captial Punishment. Execution is the only answer for some crimes. For example, the man arrested for raping and murdering the five year old in California, if guilty of the crime, deserves death. Life imprisonment is too kind for him. He has taken the right to live away from that girl. Now his right to live must be taken away.
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                        • #72
                          Corporal punishment
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Theben
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                            • #74
                              Against death penalty because innocents are being killed.

                              Besides life imprisonment is far more suffering.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by nationalist
                                I am completely for Captial Punishment. Execution is the only answer for some crimes. For example, the man arrested for raping and murdering the five year old in California, if guilty of the crime, deserves death. Life imprisonment is too kind for him. He has taken the right to live away from that girl. Now his right to live must be taken away.
                                *sniffle*
                                *tear*
                                That is too true... such bastards are probably deserving of torture. Death is a cake walk compared to what I would do if put in a room with a sicko like that...
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