Bus bombing in northern Israel

[Boris Godunov]

How is that relevant? We're talking about a bombing here.

Do you think the war was fought to save the Jews? Do think the Allied governments gave a damn about the Jews?

Not at all.

The justification is the same for the Palestinians...to win their war. Step back and look at all sides for a change.

[Bereta_Eder]

Oh, I do. It's you who apparently just need to gain a moral highground from it

[Az]

oh , and Jaakko, the Israeli army said that it regretted the death of the civilians. You'd never hear it from Hamas.

[Boris Godunov]

Or maybe you need to just get off your moral high horse?

Neither side has any claim to a moral high ground in this disasterous war. Both have acted with shamelessness that is boggling to the mind. Villify whomever you want, but looking at things in black & white is foolish.

[Bereta_Eder]

I said that when your people are being blown up, you are not too prompt to listen to "justifications".

You jumped in and started rambling about Germany.

Hardly a solid base for a conversation Boris.

Go on and ramble on.

[Boris Godunov]

Sure, because it's allegory, not rambling. By this logic, the Allies were no better than Palestinian terrorists in the war. I'm sure the good folks of Dresden wouldn't disagree with that.

[Kepler]

Originally posted by Ethelred
At any time the Palestinians can put Sharon on the wrong side of the moral issues simply by dropping the deliberate attacks on civilians

Anytime Sharon wants to exercise more descretion he too can damage the Palestinians moral position of an oppressed people fighting back. If the Pals

I'll buy Tom Friedman's argument about this from "From Beirut to Jerusalem." He talks about double entry moral bookkeeping. You keep one set of books to show the rest of the world how righteous you are, and another set to show your neighbors how ruthless you are." The Middle East has its own ethical logic -- "I'm stronger than you so don't attack me." In other words, all that turn the other cheek stuff is just so much spin control.

Lock them all in a steel cage with blind folds and butcher knives. The ones who come out get to own the inhospitable dump. In the long run, it'll save lives.

[Bereta_Eder]

Equating World War II with the Middle Eastern conflict simply won't cut it, Boris.

Try not to be so blatantly biased because of your German roots.

[Boris Godunov]

Yeah, never mind the fact that both of my grandfathers fought for the American army in Europe.

Troll better next time.

[Jaakko]

Oh great, my thread is taken over by two arguing morons...

Dalgetti, I'd be more affected by those regrets if it lead to restraint on IDF's part. As it stands nothing else is happening except further deepening of the cycle of violence.

[Az]

oh common. Restraint? It's not like Israel is using artillery or something. We both know that if Israel behaved the way the US behaves now in Afghanistan , we'd be banned from the UN , and probably had war declared upon us.

[Panag]

Originally posted by paiktis22
well when you see your people being blown up and then you have to listen to "justifications", it tends to do that to you.

µ

hi ,

"thank you"

have a nice day

[Jaakko]

The situation is just a wee bit different than Afghanistan isn't it? I'd be applauding you all day if you did a big operation followed by a huge buildup effort in order to get an independent, democratic Palestine up and going.


Edit: and Dal, "oh common"? What does that mean?
Edit2: never mind...

[Az]

it means " come on, ". yes , I know.

and we're trying to make a rebuild effort , together with the US. really. Personally, we're doing them enough favor by letting them work for us, as it is.

[Jaakko]

Well the effort isn't obviously amounting to much, seeing as how the Pals are getting poorer and poorer. And I really, really hope you were joking with that last comment.