Bus bombing in northern Israel

[Jaakko]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2171227.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/08/04/mideast/index.html

Another spin of the wheel, with no end in sight...

But there is something curious about Hamas' justification for the attack. It's almost the same as IDF's justification for the recent assassination of the
Hamas leader, whatever his name was.

Looking at the attacks, both targeted participants in the conflict (soldiers vs. terrorist leader), both have civilian casualties (apartment building vs. bus), that can be termed collateral damage because there was no other feasible way of taking down the target.

Looks like to me that Israel is starting to drop the ball here, their callousness starting to resemble terrorists' tactics just a wee bit too much. This attack was SO easy to spin for Hamas, it's making me really upset.

"This operation inside Israel is an operation against Israeli soldiers who were going to the battlefield of Palestine," said Issmael Abu Shanab. "This is the reaction of the Palestinians against the insistence of the Israelis to continue their occupation to the Palestinian land."

[Az]

yes, of course , it was a revenge. They wouldn't have done it , If the evil Israelis wouldn't kill their leader.

[Az]

on a less cynical note , I would like to note that the fact that hamas told that this is a revenge for the death of one of their leaders , and targetted military targets, doesn't mean it actually is the fact. Remember, they also TARGETTED pizza parlours, disco clubs, etc. This is just an excuse.

[Jaakko]

I know it's an excuse.
But what if it were done by a new organisation that vows to only target combatants? It's still a busload of dead people, with an excuse just as good as used by Israel recently.

[Ethelred]

At any time the Palestinians can put Sharon on the wrong side of the moral issues simply by dropping the deliberate attacks on civilians and engaging in Civil Disobedience combined with attacks on military targets. Why they can't figure this is out is their weakness.

Anytime Sharon wants to exercise more descretion he too can damage the Palestinians moral position of an oppressed people fighting back. All he has to do is be a lot more selective and actualy start trying people in public and stop allowing Israeli settlements on occupied territory that is supposed to become Palestinian someday.

If the Pals ever do it right Bush will have a damn hard time continueing to support Israel. Sharon is lucky that the Palestinians are too enraged to think straight.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Ethelred
If the Pals ever do it right Bush will have a damn hard time continueing to support Israel. Sharon is lucky that the Palestinians are too enraged to think straight.

If the Pals ever do it right the Israeli public will be Sharon's major problem, not Bush.

[Panag]

hi ,

just when are they going to let us do our job , .....

without restrictions , .......WHEN , ......grrrrrrrrrrr

have a nice day

[Panag]

some pics

[Panag]

more

[Panag]

last one

[Ethelred]

All jobs have restrictions. Even for most soldiers. Sign the Geneva Convention? You have restrictions. Attilla the Hun? You have restrictions. Yes realy. He had to produce plunder as his troops didn't care about conquest except for the plunder it gave them.

Israel is restricted because its supposed to be a decent people fighting for survival not conquest. Would you have it otherwise?

[Jaakko]

I think my post went so high over Panag's head that it almost caused a plane crash...

[Bereta_Eder]

well when you see your people being blown up and then you have to listen to "justifications", it tends to do that to you.

[Boris Godunov]

What were the Allied justifications for leveling civilian areas of Europe when attacking the German forces? And didn't they target troop trains and transports all the time?

Perspective is an amazing thing...

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
What were the Allied justifications for leveling civilian areas of Europe when attacking the German forces? And didn't they target troop trains and transports all the time?

To win the war.


And what was the justification for the Nazis to kill 6 million Jews again?