(Even) Turkey abolishes the death penalty!

[Asher]

Originally posted by paiktis22
and im sure other people "chose" to be in high crime areas..

*shivers when thinking of the new world...*

A lot of people aren't as fortunate. That doesn't mean I'm saying **** them all because I'm getting a degree and a job in a nice area.

did too

When?

educate organize agitate.

Educate? Everyone KNOWS there is a problem.
Organize? Organize WHAT?
Agitate? You mean run down a street wearing various gang colors?

push for more social welfare through your votes and your political convictions should be a good start

[MarkG]

once again: justice should not depend on any kind of donations(money or time) or any efforts by community groups or how many lawyers you can afford or anything like that

[Asher]

Originally posted by MarkG
once again: justice should not depend on any kind of donations(money or time) or any efforts by community groups or how many lawyers you can afford or anything like that

Yes, Mark, and money should be free.

You ask the impossible.
Even in Greece I'm sure there are organizations that donate time and money helping people with the law.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Asher

A lot of people aren't as fortunate. That doesn't mean I'm saying **** them all because I'm getting a degree and a job in a nice area.

that was the meaning of your posts though.
maybe
1) you fail to realize it
2) you faked it

i hope for your sake in life, it is the second

the laughter of the future person in Death row no doubt!

i cant tell you exactly what to do in just 5 words. the thing is to care and to try and make a contribution into changing it. if you believe that's how it is and its final then you re brainwashed and that's the reason such conditions exist.

[MarkG]

therefore since you're saying that "free" justice is impossible that means that an innocent CAN get sentenced AND executed

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MarkG
once again: justice should not depend on any kind of donations(money or time) or any efforts by community groups or how many lawyers you can afford or anything like that

what is the difference between something provided by the community and soemthing provided by the government

I can think of one important difference, the community cares, while the government (As it is set up now) does not

There is no difference between the government doing something, and the community doing somthing, becuase the community is part of the government

justice always has and always will depend on the community (and it doesn't depend at all on how many lawyers you can afford becuase to put it frankly most DPers can't afford good lawyers at all)

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Originally posted by paiktis22
that was the meaning of your posts though.
maybe
1) you fail to realize it
2) you faked it

i hope for your sake in life, it is the second

I can safely say you're a moron.
I said nothing of the sort, I implied nothing of the sort, and you're a moron for thinking anything of the sort.

the laughter of the future person in Death row no doubt!

Everyone in America is on death row once or twice!

i cant tell you exactly what to do in just 5 words. the thing is to care and to try and make a contribution into changing it. if you believe that's how it is and its final then you re brainwashed and that's the reason such conditions exist.

paiktis, don't give me that horse****.
What do you to do help prevent AIDS in Africa?
What do you do to help prevent the mugging going on right now in London?
What do you to help find Osama?

It's nice to help out, but we all have our limits. I absolutely hate it when people such as yourself try to put guilt trips on people for not helping out. You even accuse them for not caring because they're not helping out for Cause X.

[Jon Miller]

An innocent has people fighting for their side

people who care about what happens to them

this takes down the chance that someone will be wrongfully executed to acceptable levels

I personally am much more worried for the average guy in prison, there are not near as many groups for him, and he is likely to have similiar (or worse problems) with justice than those who get sentenced to death

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Originally posted by MarkG
therefore since you're saying that "free" justice is impossible that means that an innocent CAN get sentenced AND executed

I said no such thing my hairy friend.

"Free" justice is through the public system.

An innocent CAN be sentenced and an innocent CAN be executed, and that is horrible. There's simply no way around it.

I do guarantee you, though, that FAR, FAR more people had their lives totally and completely ruined by incorrect life sentences.

Perhaps you should start advocating that we stop sentencing people altogether. That's the only way to stop all injustice, since you preach against it so harshly.

[MarkG]

the thing is that the suppport the community will give to someone will be MORE than what the goverment would do.

therefore some people will have MORE help in their case, creating injustice

[Asher]

Again, Mark, the only way to stop that is to stop sentencing altogether.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MarkG
the thing is that the suppport the community will give to someone will be MORE than what the goverment would do.

therefore some people will have MORE help in their case, creating injustice

Yes, people who get sentenced to death have more people looking in on their case, so they get more support than the average Joe in prison. Therefore those that do not get sentenced to death get less Justice than those who are sentenced to death. That is unfair, maybe everybody should be sentenced to death.

Jon Miller

[MarkG]

An innocent CAN be sentenced and an innocent CAN be executed, and that is horrible.

that's all i've been saying

the state should not kill innocents

There's simply no way around it.

actually there is: no death penalty


thank you very much, good night

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Asher

I can safely say you're a moron.
I said nothing of the sort, I implied nothing of the sort, and you're a moron for thinking anything of the sort.

an expected backlash from someone being exposed in doing it. your posts are there for our "very objective" audience to read.

Everyone in America is on death row once or twice!

who knows what fate has in store for you? 1 think is sure, the death penalty is there for you

paiktis, don't give me that horse****.
What do you to do help prevent AIDS in Africa?

supporting policies that will help bring down the exploitation of africa by my vote.

What do you do to help prevent the mugging going on right now in London?

nothing. you got me there. but i guess a support for measures which i believe are against crime in a european leve is at least one thing

What do you to help find Osama?

absolutely nothing. got me again.

It's nice to help out, but we all have our limits. I absolutely hate it when people such as yourself try to put guilt trips on people for not helping out. You even accuse them for not caring because they're not helping out for Cause X.

its not guilt trips. its waking up calls. i dont say im better than you. just that we must help and not be a self absorbed moron.

[Asher]

Originally posted by MarkG
that's all i've been saying

the state should not kill innocents

They should not imprison innocents for life either. And this happens far more often.

For me personally, I wouldn't care if I got death over life in prison. Either one is effectively the same to me.