Immigrants

[Loif]

What is?

[Kropotkin]

Caligastia: Yes, that might happen. But, that has happend in the US before. New groups of immigrants from different european countries often ended up in the same place and created their own community. I'm not saying that it encourages cultural harmony and understanding but that period passed and the groups became a part of the country. If it doesn't happen with the latest groups something is seriously wrong with the system and something might have to be done about it.

[Kepler]

This editorial could have been written at any point in any country's history. It's normal exclusionary crap.

As an American, it does annoy me that this comes from one of our own. America has become a melting pot that takes the best of all cultures and combines it. The writer wants to lock in his or her particular view of what's "American" at this moment -- missing the whole point of what the US is (at our best).

Freedom belongs to everybody. The small-minded will always fight it, but in the end freedom will bury them.

[Kropotkin]

Loif: what you asked about. It suits what I can hear or read here in Sweden from time to time.

[nationalist]

I completely agree with this editorial. It isn't about forcing others to conform to what we want. We aren't forcing immigrants to come to this country. What this is about is other people coming here and disrespcting our established culture and customs. Immigrants are ideally coming to our nation top become American, to take part in everything that is America. The author is complaining about those who merely enter this country for monetary gain. They exploit our system while trying to change the basic foundation of the nation. Yes, immigrants should bring some of their experience to the country. No, they should not expect us to change things for their benefit. I say that immigrants are welcome, as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on us. If they are not willing to leave their old lives behind them and assimilate into a new culture, then why are thjey leaving their country at all? Money is a shallow reason.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
Caligastia: Yes, that might happen. But, that has happend in the US before. New groups of immigrants from different european countries often ended up in the same place and created their own community. I'm not saying that it encourages cultural harmony and understanding but that period passed and the groups became a part of the country. If it doesn't happen with the latest groups something is seriously wrong with the system and something might have to be done about it.

Well there are people who have lived in Puerto Rican communities all their life here in NYC who dont even know that being born here makes them american citizens. They are going through life as an illegal alien even though they were born here. This is a result of them being isolated within a culture that has seperated itself from the rest of the country.

[Kropotkin]

How long has the Puerto Ricans been there?

[Kropotkin]

Nat.: "They" [the immigrants] are a small minority. They can't force a fundamental change to your society even if they wanted to so why whine about it?

[Dan Severn]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
Nat.: "They" [the immigrants] are a small minority. They can't force a fundamental change to your society even if they wanted to so why whine about it?

Hispanics now hold the majority in Texas. Many of them are immigrants, and most are recent descendants (past 100 years.) That's not a "small community."

Rome had a very similar dilemma.

[Loif]

Well Canada wouldn't exist without immigrants. Neither would most other countries on the face of God's green earth. I say we should welcome immigrants and not tell them that they have to conform to what we believe in. As long as they are obeying the law of the country that they immigrate to, why should this be a problem? Are we so worried that we may be assimilated into their culture that we need to stamp it out? Humans never cease to amaze me.

[Dan Severn]

That's not what I meant. All I am saying is that Immigration does make major changes in culture. The problem is, Political correctness makes it "wrong" to be mainstream american, whereas whichever culture is fashionable at the time can do no wrong.

If one does not like the US, one should not move to said Union.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
I agree that thing with letting a muslim have hear face covered for drivers license photo is absurd. But we don't have a monolithic culture here, nor are we are all opposed to change as they suggest. America's culture has changed greatly over the years as various groups of immigrants have contributed to it. I also think that since our standard of living greatly surpasses that of many parts of the world we should be generous in allowing immigration.

I agree with you on this, Shi.


And besides, this editor seems like he's a child or teenager whining in print, rather than whining vocally.

How about he takes his own immature, irrational advice -- if HE does not like the multi-culturalism of America, HE can use his right to leave.

[nationalist]

Originally posted by Dan Severn


Hispanics now hold the majority in Texas. Many of them are immigrants, and most are recent descendants (past 100 years.) That's not a "small community."

Rome had a very similar dilemma.

This is exactly the type of situation I am talking about. It isn't impossible to imagine that the majority of hispanics could try to separate from the U.S. and join back with Mexico. Unlikely perhaps, but possible. As for "I don't mind immigrants as long as they follow the laws" I wonder how many of these immigrants are here illegally? That shows a disrepect for our laws. That Muslim lady seems to disregard our liscensing laws.

[Dinner]

Somethings that immigration brings are worth while, helpful, and benificial while others can only be described as harmful negative effects.

[Dan Severn]

Originally posted by nationalist


This is exactly the type of situation I am talking about. It isn't impossible to imagine that the majority of hispanics could try to separate from the U.S. and join back with Mexico.

Why the Hell, exactly, would they wish to be part of Mexico? That would make immigration to the US moot.