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    Found this online. I find it quite interesting. Take out the word American and insert your own country's name. Does this happen where you live? Unfortunately I think it happens far too often. In my opinion too many people here in Canada have exactly the same view towards immigrants. I think people who immigrate to other countries should be allowed to bring their customs and traditions with them. Of course they would have to adhere to Canadian laws but to strip them of their culture is too much. Hell, we even do this with our native people here. Anywho, read on if interested and post your point of view:

    PS: In no way does this quote reflect my own opinions, which are stated above.

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    After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered, I believe this is even more appropriate. Read on, please!

    This is an editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper. He did quite a job.


    IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT.

    I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans.
    However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

    I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

    This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

    We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

    "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

    If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

    We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from.

    This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom:

    THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

  • #2
    I agree that thing with letting a muslim have hear face covered for drivers license photo is absurd. But we don't have a monolithic culture here, nor are we are all opposed to change as they suggest. America's culture has changed greatly over the years as various groups of immigrants have contributed to it. I also think that since our standard of living greatly surpasses that of many parts of the world we should be generous in allowing immigration.
    "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

    "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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    • #3
      The editorial goes too far for my taste (the In God We Trust crap, for instance), but I have to agree that the drivers' license thing is nuts. The whole idea of having a picture is so YOU CAN BE IDENTIFIED AS THAT PERSON! Doesn't a veil sorta get in the way of that?

      -Arrian
      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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      • #4
        I think the idea of other cultures being accepted
        in English North America is to get the better
        aspects of the cultures and intergrate them into
        our own, (just like english uses words from native,
        french, german, latin etc. languages) not to have a mishmash of minorities all going to court for their cultural/relgious rights. All this leads to is a lot
        of foreign nationals living in your country bit*hin'
        and claiming full rights from day one.

        I agree fully with the an American citizen from Tampa.

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        • #5
          Bah. Self-righteous crap.

          "CONFORM OR DIE! CONFORM OR DIE!"
          The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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          • #6
            That's pretty much my reaction to the editorial as well, but my opinion on the drivers license stands.

            Disagree?

            -Arrian
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • #7
              Which is more mature and rational:

              "If you don't like the way things are, GET OUT!!!"

              or

              "If you don't like the way things are, use your rights as a resident and your voice to change the system in a democratic, peaceful manner..."
              Tutto nel mondo è burla

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              • #8
                Mature and rational?! Boris, this is Apolyton!!
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #9
                  There is a small problem with that kind of standpoint that the author has.

                  (s)he says that any immigrant should leave if they don't like the countries culture, god, flag, way of life and so forth. The small problem is that this is only directed towards immigrants. Why are not american born people that does not like any or all of the recommended to leave the country?

                  The US is what it is because it allowed millions of people into the country (as long as they wheren't sick) without much fuss about their opinion on apple pie and mama.

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                  • #10
                    There's nothing more un-American than telling people to get out if they disagree with how things are...
                    Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                    • #11
                      I agree for the most part. The guy is not asking anything unreasonable. Is speaking english too much too ask?

                      Im an immigrant to this country, but Im not expecting america to become more like New Zealand just because I would feel more comfortable.
                      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                      • #12
                        If some immigrant to the US doesn't want to learn English, let him. As long as the wast majority of the rest of the country doesn't addapt and learn [input obscure language spoken by less than 10K humans] it's his problem.

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                        • #13
                          I don't think you guys understand why I posted this. I'm not trying to say that this happens only in the US. God knows it happens here in Canada. Does it happen in your country? If so, do you agree with it or not? This was not meant to be a "bash the US" thread, not by any means.

                          I know this happens in Canada. Like I said before, we even do it with the First Nations People who lived here long before we did. Back in the 60's the government took these people off their land and put them into residential schools. They systematically stripped these people of their culture and now have the problem that these people don't know what to do with themselves. The unemployment rate is abysmally high amongst First Nations People, alcoholism runs rampant, etc., largely due to the taking away of their culture. Anyways, a little off topic but there you go.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kropotkin
                            If some immigrant to the US doesn't want to learn English, let him. As long as the wast majority of the rest of the country doesn't addapt and learn [input obscure language spoken by less than 10K humans] it's his problem.
                            The problem is that when you have non-english speaking immigrants coming in great numbers, they form their own little isolated community that cant communicate with the surrounding population. How does this encourage cultural harmony and understanding?
                            ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                            ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                            • #15
                              Loif; Yes that's quite common even if it's usally a bit more subtle than that.

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