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I suggest that everyone here honestly answer the following question. Imagine that the roles are reversed. Namely, the Russian couple performs exactly as the Canadian one, and vice versa, and the gold goes to the Canadians. Then the question is (actually it's a number of interrelated questions):
Would there result a big deal out of it? Would the media and the public be outraged to such an extent? Would the second gold be awarded (to the Russian couple in this case)?
I hope the answer of all reasonable people will be NO.
But if so, what are we really talking about? All your pathetic talk about justice and what is rightful is just ... pathetic.
Justice only for chosen people is injustice. A uniform application of an intrinsic injustice to everyone is more just than justice for the chosen only.
By the way, do you have an idea why the FBI was so interested in furthering that case? Let me explain you.
That incident was quite embarrassing for America, whether you realize it or not. Indeed, the international community entrusted America with organizing the games. And what happened was a five-day rage of the media and public of the host country that put in danger the very continuation of the games. Now the question is whether such a country can again be entrusted with organizing an event like that. Having this question in the air is rather embarrassing, especially taking into account that in all other respects America is always the ideal candidate.
People aren't upset because they're Canadian, it's because one had a flawless performance and one stumbled and then the pair who stumbled won.
And then it came out that a French judge may have been corrupted.
And then it now comes out that this "Russian mob boss" is caught, on tape, bragging about how he fixed the results.
And you try to play your country as the victim of the world's oppressors?
The only thing pathetic here is your complete inability to see what's going on around you.
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
By the way, do you have an idea why the FBI was so interested in furthering that case? Let me explain you.
That incident was quite embarrassing for America, whether you realize it or not. Indeed, the international community entrusted America with organizing the games. And what happened was a five-day rage of the media and public of the host country that put in danger the very continuation of the games. Now the question is whether such a country can again be entrusted with organizing an event like that. Having this question in the air is rather embarrassing, especially taking into account that in all other respects America is always the ideal candidate.
So now you're trying to blame this on the Americans somehow.
(Why isn't Russia a global power anymore? It comes as such a surprise to me!)
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
Asher, you haven't answered the question I raised in my post: YES or NO?
I would honestly say yes, the world would care.
I did answer your question, I just wasn't as verbose as I needed to be apparently.
People didn't care about their nationalities, people cared because it was obvious to everyone watching (save for the Russians, which is understandable) it was not the right ruling.
From that answer you should have figured out that the answer is "yes", since people don't care about nationalities when they see something like that unless they're the country that was awarded the gold because of the incident.
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The American organizers have absolutely nothing to do with the result. Zero, zip, nada.
That did and does remain in the hands of the IOC and the ISU.
Are you guys from Russia making this up as you go?
To answer your question though... If the situations were reversed I'd be happy to see the Russians given gold. BTW, no one has taken gold away from the Russian skaters either, since they themselves have done no wrong.
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Originally posted by Asher
I would honestly say yes, the world would care.
Oh, if you put it this way, I agree with you: the world would care (at least a little bit). There would be some talk in the media, etc. (again, at least a little bit).
But my question was slightly different. And by formulating your answer as you did, you've actually been avoiding the answer. Do you believe that if the roles were reversed it would still result in the second gold awarded? -- this is the question.
I think you're overblowing how "outraged" everyone is, Vagabond.
When it initially happened the media played it out quite a bit, as they do with every minor story on a slow news day, but it wasn't to the point where there were riots in the streets or anything like that.
I ask you this, though: What does that have to do with anything? Either way an investigation would have taken place, and either way they'd get evidence supporting the claim it was fixed.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Vagabond, if they had skated equally well, I would not care who got the gold. As it is, it was blatently obvious the russian pair fouled up, and they still got the gold anyway.
No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
Originally posted by Asher
When it initially happened the media played it out quite a bit, as they do with every minor story on a slow news day, but it wasn't to the point where there were riots in the streets or anything like that.
Thanks God there were no riots. Minor story on the news? This "minor" story almost shattered the olympiad.
I ask you this, though: What does that have to do with anything? Either way an investigation would have taken place, and either way they'd get evidence supporting the claim it was fixed.
Either way? Don't you remember that the hysteric lady confessed to hell-knows-what after being subjected to an enormous external pressure?
For the record: it seems you don't want to answer the question. Well, so it be, it's up to you after all.
Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Vagabond, if they had skated equally well, I would not care who got the gold. As it is, it was blatently obvious the russian pair fouled up, and they still got the gold anyway.
The point here is not even who skated better, it's deeper. If you want, you may try to answer the question I raised earlier.
Originally posted by The Vagabond
Thanks God there were no riots. Minor story on the news? This "minor" story almost shattered the olympiad.
Only because of the news that the judges cannot be trusted, after it came out there was corruption.
It was a minor story, but the news blew it up into something big because it was a slow news day.
Either way? Don't you remember that the hysteric lady confessed to hell-knows-what after being subjected to an enormous external pressure?
And I suppose the Russian mob boss who confessed to doing it on tape was subjected to enormous external pressure to do so as well?
For the record: it seems you don't want to answer the question. Well, so it be, it's up to you after all.
I answered it twice.
You just want me to say "No". I say "Yes" twice and it's not answering it.
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