Why your protestations against capitalism are doomed to failure...

[Victor Galis]

Besides, if each generation is more radical than the last, and they sell out just as much, doesn't that mean that the resulting sell outs are still more liberal than the previous generation?

[Stefu]

Then you get married. Guess what? While she might share the same beliefs, you're wife isn't likely to share the same passion you have for them. Naw, she is going to be far more pragmatic and "sensible" than you are, and she'll tolerate a bunch of talk, but she won't tolerate personally detrimental actions based upon your beliefs, as the following (entirely made up) argument will show:

Does this apply for gay marriage?

Wouldn't it be another (conservative) reason to support gay marriage? After all, you need to get those homosexuals out of the fringes of the Left, too.

[Aeson]

I'm one that's never getting married or having children. Not everyone has to you know.

[Asher]

Why your protestations against capitalism are doomed to failure...

I think it's simply because the vast majority of people simply don't care what people are protesting about. When people deal with things that directly affect them in negative ways they'll be against it, but a bunch of kids holding up signs blocking traffic doesn't make anyone change their mind.

The people who insist it does simply fried their brains on LSD.

[Krayzeenbk]

The phrase "selling out" is lame

Nobody sells out, people make decisions.
You have many roads to take, and just because someone else takes another road doesn't mean they've "sold out"

If you're willing to die for your cause, then you're already dead to your cause.
No cause is worth dying for...

I think it's worthwhile to sometimes consider the very real possibility that you yourself may be wrong (just as I myself am probably very wrong in just saying this to you )

[monkspider]

Respectfully, I disagree John. I live with my girlfriend now, and that still hasn't stopped my hopes and dreams from fading.
Regardless of how busy one is with other things in life, one always has time to do what is right

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Krayzeenbk
The phrase "selling out" is lame

Nobody sells out, people make decisions.
You have many roads to take, and just because someone else takes another road doesn't mean they've "sold out"

Selling out is when a person betrays themselves, or their beliefs - not just when someone takes another path as you.

[Krayzeenbk]

Hey, who said I'm taking another path

People rarely betray beliefs, and beliefs rarely betray people.
Beliefs change and evolve, and you shouldn't remain in another stage of the development of your beliefs because you're afraid you'll "sell out"

[Victor Galis]

I don't fear selling out. As long as I do it for a good bit of money

[Aeson]

Selling out is of course very subjective. I would only use it to describe myself, as I can only understand the motives for my actions. Guessing at why other people do what they do is just that, guessing. To me, if I were to discard my ideals in favor of money, comfort, or a chance at a significant other, that would be selling out.

[Kropotkin]

True JohnT's glimce at the future might be true for himself and many others but it's not right to make the assumption about everyone out there. The kind of life JohnT lives and have lived is not that common as it might be in the eyes of JohnT. He makes assumpitions about:

* The wife (existance and personality).
* Kids.
* Career.
* Constant strife for higher standard of living.

Sorry JohnT but that kind of life is actually pretty rare. A sizable minority perhaps. You're probably just jealous of a few of the kids here.

[Victor Galis]

Who knows what the future will bring. I don't know what I will be doing 10 years from now. Who's to say, I don't move to France and work 30 hours weeks, and take 6 week vacations every year?

[Dinner]

The 30 hour week won't make it another year. Not with 10% unemployment and companies saying they're going to be leaving France unless the Socialists make economically feasible laws.

Virtually every new entrapronuer in the last 10 years in France has already packed up and moved to Britian and/or the US because of the anti-business enviroment and this will continue to grow until the frogs make changes.

[Bereta_Eder]

ah the usual argument. when you get older you'll see blah blah

didnt bother to read it cause i have life here at me

plenty of people remain communist or socialist in europe after growing up and getting a job


and then they are attacked by people saying :how can you call yourself a communist when youre rich

[Giancarlo]

Those who drop their little grandoise visions will finally grow up. Communism is not possible and usually there are some young people (certainly not even close to all) who are supporters of it. It is time for the Great Majority to stand up against this immature, lying and insolent group of people who called themselves communists.

I am for people who actually work for a living. I will be working for a living once I get out of school. I don't want the government to provide for me or steal my rights to private property as in communism.