United States Superpower Status

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb

Thank you Heresson, it was fascinating speech. You know where to find the picture with big, red guy (on page 1 in case that you forget). Look on it again and read what typed below the picture.

I know the truth hurts. You just need to accept it and move on.

[Serb]

I know the truth hurts. You just need to accept it and move on.

It was your late reply on my advise? In that case you should first put propper quote from me and only after this put your answer. Smth like this :

Originally posted by Serb

So, Mr.DD is here. Great! Everything is ready for show now.

Btw, [looking on DD avatar] DinoDoc took free advice and visit a good plastic surgeon. Your photo looks a bit ugly.

I know the truth hurts. You just need to accept it and move on.

[Heresson]

Hm. When people are missing arguements they tend to use that middle finger... You are overusing it. Everytime You think You see a "bullsh*t" You stick it out...
Why?

[Main_Brain]

There aint no 'best Tank' it depends on quite some factors Me would think.

China will rise through massive EU-Cooperation and will dominate the Asian Sector. Then will annex Taiwan and noone can do anything about it.
Russia - waitn see
EU- Equal Power to US but too disorganized
US- In decline ( Playing World Commander is damn expensive and w/o a Major Counterpart.. 'prolly too expensive)
I dont see how either any ME or India could achieve SuperPower staus within the next decades

[Imran Siddiqui]

Do you have any proof?
I dare to say otherwise. Not only our asses weren't kicked, but we also kicked a lot of foreign asses. Asses who intervented our country, but were beaten and run like beaten dogs.

If you seriously believe that Russia didn't get utterly destroyed by the Germans in WW1 there is no hope for you. The battle of Tannenburg was the only time the Russian army looked good in that war, after the Germans smashed them there (old Ludendorff there), the Germans ran over the Russian army. That's partly what made Lenin seem so attractive to the people... if Russia was in Germany's backside, the Russian Revolution probably would never happened.

[Krayzeenbk]

Arbitrary predictions.........

The U.S. isn't leaving for at least several decades, and even then if it does, it will bounce back.

So will Russia, in towards the end of our lifetimes (maybe towards the middle).

As for Asia, there are still plenty of problems to be overcome, but obviously China with the economic capacity given to it by its population is and will be a very serious player.

As for everything else that has been said:
1) Russia IS a regional power, it regularly bosses neighbors around, signs favorable "friendship" treaties with central asian nations, Russian big business is all over Eastern Europe now. Although of course many nations still would look to NATO for assistance, Russia definetely has trump cards to play.
2) Russia is a candidate for superpower status, only for the reason that it maintains an enormous nuclear arsenal - and it IS secure and operational.
3) Any kind of question as to the territorial integrity of Russia is absurd, unless you're talking about Chechnya. Do you really think that the Russians of Siberia are about to just declare independence or something? As for Chinese, most Chinese would much rather go to the Chinese south and work in the economically prospering zones than go north to Siberia and work without wages in construction or in an unsafe chemical plant.
4) China is a candidate for superpower status, because if China were to really get in your face over something, you would have to yield. Diplomatically, China has been a superpower for many years now - just look at how the E-3 spy plane negotiations were handled.
5) America will not go.



P.S. I think some people here are real delusional (Russia will lose the far east because of this and that... blah blah blah). I recommend studying the subject if you care, or otherwise not talking if you're just gonna sit in a room in front of a computer all day and dreaming of future wars in your head.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
If you seriously believe that Russia didn't get utterly destroyed by the Germans in WW1 there is no hope for you. The battle of Tannenburg was the only time the Russian army looked good in that war, after the Germans smashed them there (old Ludendorff there), the Germans ran over the Russian army. That's partly what made Lenin seem so attractive to the people... if Russia was in Germany's backside, the Russian Revolution probably would never happened.

My point was that we never lose a defensive war.
WW1 wasn’t a defensive war for us at the beginning. And btw, you should find figures about German causalities on Russian front. They lost on Russian front during WW1 more soldiers then on all other fronts combined. When WW1 turned to defensive war for us, Germans were stopped Feb. 23 1918- first victory of Red Army- it’s a still National holiday in Russia, because just formed, poor equipped, poor trained army created in times of great famine defeated German war machine and saved young Soviet Republic.
That’s was my point, a dozen of countries attacked young Soviet state half of population was on their side, our country was in total isolation and was surrounded by enemies from all sides, BUT it survived and one by one kicked aggressor’s asses.

[Serb]

Krayzeenbk,
Great speech men! I’m agreed with all your points 100%.
May I add you to my buddies list?
(If yes, you will be the first in my list actually)

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
Hm. When people are missing arguements they tend to use that middle finger... You are overusing it. Everytime You think You see a "bullsh*t" You stick it out...

Wait a minute, are you trying to say that you think your last fascinating speech was a bullsh*t?

Why?

For the same reason why you greet every new guy with words: “not another German”, for the same reason why you saying when you disagreed with someone-“you are history ignorant fool”- JUST FOR FUN.

Oh btw, May I add you to my buddies list?
(If yes, you will be the second in this list) Just think twice, because I probably make the same offer to Ecthelion and Paiktis

[Imran Siddiqui]

Serb... after Tannenburg, it was a defensive war for you, and the Germans pushed you far back. So far, that they didn't ever worry about your front and sent troops to the Western Front, where the major fighting was going on. Yes, there were some good victories by the Russians, but it does change the fact that the Germans won that faze of the war.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Main_Brain
There aint no 'best Tank' it depends on quite some factors Me would think.

Agreed
Btw, can I add you to my bud.... Wait a minute... I don't know you men, sorry.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Serb... after Tannenburg, it was a defensive war for you, and the Germans pushed you far back. So far, that they didn't ever worry about your front and sent troops to the Western Front, where the major fighting was going on. Yes, there were some good victories by the Russians, but it does change the fact that the Germans won that faze of the war.

So what? In 1941 they won a phase of war too, but who cares about one phase? Final phase is the most important thing.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeah, and the Germans kinda won the final phase on THAT front.

They may have lost the war, but they whipped the Russians.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Krayzeenbk
2) Russia is a candidate for superpower status, only for the reason that it maintains an enormous nuclear arsenal - and it IS secure and operational.

1) So they finally decided to improve the security of thier arsenal? Good.

2) A nuclear arsenal isn't a guarentee of superpower status. One need only look at France to learn as much.

3) Russia will only be a superpower again if it learns how to build subs that don't sink to the bottom of the sea.

[Krayzeenbk]

1) So they finally decided to improve the security of thier arsenal? Good.

2) A nuclear arsenal isn't a guarentee of superpower status. One need only look at France to learn as much.

3) Russia will only be a superpower again if it learns how to build subs that don't sink to the bottom of the sea.

1) It never was insecure (to be blatant - you have to be lame, idiotic, ignorant, and living in America to have fantasies about how renegade officers and terrorists have access to the Russian nuclear arsenal. It's just not serious to think something like that. I'm sure the Russians are very serious about it).

2) France doesn't have thousands of missiles with multiple warheads, Russia does.

3) I guess, but then again there are subs that haven't yet sunk circling around our country ready to nuke us to hell, so you might want to rethink that.