United States Superpower Status

[Serb]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yeah, and the Germans kinda won the final phase on THAT front.

They may have lost the war, but they whipped the Russians.

When and how they WHIPPED the Russians?
We signed a peace treaty with them and lost Ukraine, but after short period of time we took it back. Is it called a victory on THAT front?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Krayzeenbk
1) It never was insecure

In 1993, nuclear thefts in the Northern Fleet (a navy base) illuminated that criminals can neutralize alarm systems with wire cutters while "warehouse guards are quietly sleeping." (FBIS/ 9/04/97) Also in 1993, there were eleven attempted thefts of uranium, approximately 900 attemps at illegal entry of nuclear facilities, and roughly 700 instances where workers attempted to steal secret documents.(Allison, Avoiding Nuclear Anarchy) These examples convey a precedent and given the current situation within the military there is no reason to expect that these attemps would diminish.

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~ghannum/rusnuke.html

Here's another source: http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/p...dow/052002.htm

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
1) So they finally decided to improve the security of thier arsenal? Good.

2) A nuclear arsenal isn't a guarentee of superpower status. One need only look at France to learn as much.

3) Russia will only be a superpower again if it learns how to build subs that don't sink to the bottom of the sea.

1)Agreed with Krayzeenbk.

2) Agreed with Krayzeenbk.

3) A couple of comments:
First of all, I think this statement is insult to honor of sailors who died on Kursk. Secondly, Russia is not a single country, which lost its submarines in peace times. As far as I know USA lost 3 of them in peace times.
Third few weeks ago we build another “Typhoon” class submarine. When your scientists will create something equal to our “Typhoon” class, please let me know.

[Krayzeenbk]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
In 1993, nuclear thefts in the Northern Fleet (a navy base) illuminated that criminals can neutralize alarm systems with wire cutters while "warehouse guards are quietly sleeping." (FBIS/ 9/04/97) Also in 1993, there were eleven attempted thefts of uranium, approximately 900 attemps at illegal entry of nuclear facilities, and roughly 700 instances where workers attempted to steal secret documents.(Allison, Avoiding Nuclear Anarchy) These examples convey a precedent and given the current situation within the military there is no reason to expect that these attemps would diminish.

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~ghannum/rusnuke.html

Here's another source: http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/p...dow/052002.htm

So where was there even at attempt to steal a nuclear weapon?

[Krayzeenbk]

I'd like to point out that the average Russian criminal breaking into a fleet base would have no interest whatsoever in stealing a nuclear weapon... He can't use it, and if he were to sell it to somebody (as I've heard numerous Americans say), he would be VERY concerned that that somebody would then use it to blow him and his family up. Not very encouraging.

Find one instance of somebody stealing a large enough quantity, even a fraction of what's required, of weapons-grade material from a Russian site.

The average dude breaking into that base was probably looking for equipment, spare parts, or money.

Besides, looks like many were caught anyways - I really don't think anybody in Russia is about to allow unauthorized access to nuclear weapons, but everyone in America seems certain that they would.

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~ghannum/rusnuke.html

Here's another source: http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/p...dow/052002.htm

MOSCOW - Maxim Shingarkin wanted to prove a point about the security of Russia's vast network of aging and depressed nuclear facilities.
So one day in February, Shingarkin, an antinuclear campaigner for Greenpeace Russia, led a Russian legislator and a camera crew past unwitting guards, around fences, and into the heart of a supposedly high-security restricted area in Siberia where 3,000 tons of highly radioactive, spent nuclear fuel are stored.



An ANTINUCLEAR campaigner and a bunch of paparaci who hunt for cheap sensation (such as this entire article), will be the last people whose bs. Stories I will consider as true.

Besides, looks like many were caught anyways - I really don't think anybody in Russia is about to allow unauthorized access to nuclear weapons, but everyone in America seems certain that they would.

Exactly

[Krayzeenbk]

DinoDoc is right to a certain extent, Serb. Security is definetely lax.

But not to the absurd extent many claim.

It's very far-fetched to say somebody is going to drive out of a Soviet nuclear facility with nuclear-armed SS-25 missiles.


All of this is beside the point, lax security doesn't prevent the Russian government from using these missiles.

[Heresson]

"When and how they WHIPPED the Russians?
We signed a peace treaty with them and lost Ukraine, but after short period of time we took it back. Is it called a victory on THAT front?"

You haven't taken it from Germans.
It was no-one's land after German collapse.
You didn't even manage to take it all...

P.S. Should I be touched?

[Serb]

Aha, you are already here.
I pochemy ty menya vsegda podstavlyaesh?

You haven't taken it from Germans.
Blah....blah...blah...You didn't even manage to take it all...

So, we haven't took it from Germans OR we didn't manage to take it all?
You should decide which is true.
And everything that we didn't took in that time we took in 1939.

P.S. Should I be touched?

What do you mean?

[Ecthy]

...

[Ecthy]

Welcome to 3-digit world.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Verto
I thought the term "superpower" had been deemed obsolete when little renegade nations started developing nuclear arsenals...

Hey, wait! If the US loses its place as world superpower, does this mean people will stop trashing it? I wonder what everyone will do with all their free time THEN....

Tru dat.....

But, sure I'm still absolutely sure that it's the best tank of the world. (Ok, at least M1A2 and T-80U share the first place)

OK my friend, the T-80 is a formidable tank, but it is no where near the Abrahms. The T-80, if I remember correctly, still uses welded steel armor like he tanks of WWII. The M1, M1-A1 (Used in Gulf War), and M1-A2 Abrahms all have incredibly powerful composite armor that is all but indestructible(practically). The only thing so far in combat able to disable one of these tanks have been our depleted uranian 120mm sabot rounds fired from a friendly tank on accident.

Of the 17 nuclear subs lost in history, theUS has lost 3. Russia has lost 13 (or 11, dont remember exactly- but it is one of those 2 numbers)

Russias lax security is very scary. It is very concievable for a terrorist group to infiltrate these places as described - why wouldnt it be?

[Krayzeenbk]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t80/

Don't underestimate any tank.
Welcome to the world of explosive reactive armor, Kramerman. EDIT: with the exception that the U.S. seems to have neglected to retrofit the Abrams with ERA, wtf.... I thought they carried ERA.
The Abrams tank uses very, very similar armor to that of the T-80, I don't know where you get your information from.

As for the subs, the Russian sub fleet is also bigger (at least according to my sources), but yeah they kinda lost too many

Once a terrorist group gets in, what can it do? Blow up the place? That's not as much of a problem for America as it is for Russia.

[nationalist]

I see the U.S. as slowly losing influence. We've lost our identity and are decaying at the roots. I predict massive political and social strife in the U.S. within 50 years, due to, among other things, an uncontrolled flood of illegal immigrants who are unwilling to assimilate. Europe and Russia are declining as well. They don't even have the birth rates to keep up their current population levels. The only reason that population grows at all in Europe is because of the flood of Arabic immigigrants. Those Arabs are unwilling to assimilate. 100 years from now, I it is possible that white people will be the minority in Europe and the E.U. will be an Islamic entity.Western civilization is in a state of rapid decline, and none of us seems to want to do anything about it. Therefore, our politicians simply bury their heads in the sand and fret about the stock market.

Anyway, I think that in 50 years time China will be the world's dominant force. The U.S. will be a land of turmoil.

[DinoDoc]

You read too much Pat Buchanan.