United States Superpower Status

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten


I wouldn't go this far. Russia will still probably maintain a presence east of the Urals and in Central Asia. The eastern portions of Russia, however, are going to fall if East Asian countries decide they want them. Economically and demographically, Russia is already beaten in these areas. Militarily, the balance is shifting even as we speak. I'm relatively confident that Mongolia and the Russian Maritime Territories will fall back into the Chinese orbit. Beyond that, it's hard to tell what is going to happen. If Japan became more aggressive, it could probably assert control over the island north of Hokkaido and maybe even expand into Kamchatka. And who knows how much territory China would want to take? Russia can't do much about it, besides using Serb's nuclear weapons, but does Russia really want to start a nuclear exchange in order to keep some sparsely populated forest land? I don't think so...

I could easily imagine chinese agression as you explain it, but Japanese... i dunno about that. Japanese agression would be very alarming to the US, who control like half of the Japanese military, due to wwii

[Mr. President]

-1 / 10 for all of you.

[Serb]

Russia can't do much about it, besides using Serb's nuclear weapons, but does Russia really want to start a nuclear exchange in order to keep some sparsely populated forest land? I don't think so...

You know very little about Russians boy, you know even less about Siberia if you call it a "sparsely populated forest land".

It is said in Russian Deffence doctrine (btw, it's a DOCUMENT with accordance with wich military should act in case of war and btw, it was changed not so long ago, after Yougoslavia if I remember correctly)
I don't know exact text, but it's smt like this:
In case of nuclear, biological, chemical or MASSIVE CONVENTIONAL ATTACK against Russian Federation or its allies, Russian Federation will retaliate against agression with any means, including its NUCLEAR potential". All Asiat countries wich are former SU republics are members of "treaty about collective defence" in case of aggression against any country wich is the member of this treaty, all members of aliance should attack agressor.
Case is closed. Go and try something if you have balls.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Kramerman I could easily imagine chinese agression as you explain it, but Japanese... i dunno about that. Japanese agression would be very alarming to the US, who control like half of the Japanese military, due to wwii

I agree, Japanese aggression is extremely unlikely in the present day. However, I was thinking farther down the road. If Chinese power continues to rise and is matched by a decreasing American commitment to maintaining the Asian status quo, then Japan will be sorely tempted to end its security arrangement with the US and remilitarize in order to protect its interests in Asia. America might welcome this as an easy way to counter China without risking US lives. Twenty years from now, it would not be unthinkable for China and Japan to be the two major players in East Asia, jockeying with each other for power in the region while carving up the eastern territories of a no longer relevant Russia. This is all conjecture on my part, but I don't think that it is impossible or even unlikely.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Mr. President
-1 / 10 for all of you.

Just read what typed on picture with big red guy, I've posted on first page. Do it and let us keep spaming.

[Drake Tungsten]

Serb,

China doesn't even have to attack Russia to take control of the Russian Far East. All they have to do is keep allowing Chinese to immigrate illegally into Russian territory, which they are already doing. Once the territories are predominantly Chinese, the people can declare themselves to be independent and China can annex them. Don't think that this is possible? It's how Texas became part of the United States...

Hope you liked that, Kramerman.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten


I agree, Japanese aggression is extremely unlikely in the present day. However, I was thinking farther down the road. If Chinese power continues to rise and is matched by a decreasing American commitment to maintaining the Asian status quo, then Japan will be sorely tempted to end its security arrangement with the US and remilitarize in order to protect its interests in Asia. America might welcome this as an easy way to counter China without risking US lives. Twenty years from now, it would not be unthinkable for China and Japan to be the two major players in East Asia, jockeying with each other for power in the region while carving up the eastern territories of a no longer relevant Russia. This is all conjecture on my part, but I don't think that it is impossible or even unlikely.

I see. Interesting. Indonesia is another potential East Asia power. I also hope Australia will be one, but who knows... i like Australia for some reason.
I read somewhere that US citizens, on average, spend $5000 bucks apiece in their taxes for protecting people over seas i.e. Korea, Tiawan, Japan, former Yugo, etc. Thats sick. I know we cant just pull out, but I wish we could. We only get kicked in the teeth by many of these places anyway, after trying to help them. Its like every other day when i turn on BBC news there are rioters somewhere protesting US presence.... sheeesh!

Drake Tungsten- i like your signature line - though i dont really like denise miller....

[Kramerman]

It's how Texas became part of the United States...

Its also how texas will go back to Mexico . And im only half joking...

-1 / 10 for all of you.

What does this mean?

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Kramerman Its also how texas will go back to Mexico . And im only half joking...

I don't consider this to be a joke either. It's certainly possible in the long term, if illegal immigration from Mexico continues the way it has been.

i like your signature line - though i dont really like denise miller....

He has his moments...

[Serb]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Serb,

China doesn't even have to attack Russia to take control of the Russian Far East. All they have to do is keep allowing Chinese to immigrate illegally into Russian territory, which they are already doing. Once the territories are predominantly Chinese, the people can declare themselves to be independent and China can annex them. Don't think that this is possible? It's how Texas became part of the United States...

Silly boy ,as I said you don't know Russians or Russian constitution. Far east declared independence?

Btw, illegal immigrants don't have ANY civil rights by definition, because their presence in country is ILLEGAL.

Hope you liked that, Kramerman.

You mean that a lot of Chinese live in Texas?
Btw, how many millions Chinese people live in USA today? I guess if your scenario was realistic, then it is USA who should worry about this, not Russia. Because in USA there are much more Chinese people then in Russia.

[Drake Tungsten]

But Chinese people in America assimilate into American culture and become Americans. Most make a concious decision to do so when the leave China. Illegal Chinese immigrants in Siberia don't, to the best of my knowledge, assimilate into Russian culture or have the desire to. They still consider themselves Chinese; they are just in Russia to find work. What happens when there are more Chinese folks in the Russian Far East than Russians? Will the Chinese still want to be ruled from Moscow, thousands of miles away, or will they want to be controlled by their homeland?

[Serb]

Again dude,
you don't know Russians if you think that it's easy task to wipe us out from our own lands. It's OUR lands we lived there for generations. Anyone who want to drive us out from our lands has only one way to do so- WAR. And one more thing we NEVER lose deffensive wars. NEVER. [Waving Russian Flag]
You want to check it once again? Fine, just try something. [Waving Russian flag again]

Have a nice day

[Serb]

Sorry, I forget to laugh about this :

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
But Chinese people in America assimilate into American culture and become Americans.

Is it the reason why you could find China town in every American city where Chinese immigrants live?
You mean, they are assimilated into American culture, they broke all ties with their Motherland and that's why they live in China towns. Great.

[Drake Tungsten]

Not every Chinese-American lives in a China town. I think that China towns are populated mostly by recent immigrants (those who haven't assimilated yet). Non-Asians live in China towns as well. Wouldn't expect you to know any of that, however.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Serb
Again dude,
you don't know Russians if you think that it's easy task to wipe us out from our own lands. It's OUR lands we lived there for generations. Anyone who want to drive us out from our lands has only one way to do so- WAR. And one more thing we NEVER lose deffensive wars. NEVER. [Waving Russian Flag]
You want to check it once again? Fine, just try something. [Waving Russian flag again]

Have a nice day

ROFL!!!
Is that a Soviet flag you are waving, or just a Russian Federation flag?
So are you two gonna be arguing about this all night (or mmorning or day or whatever time it is where you are argueing from)? Very entertaining. Good arguements on both sides.