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  • Originally posted by Ecthelion
    Cto delat'? = What To Do ... a book by Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov.

    It should be "Chto delat?" and it wrote not by Lenin, but by Chernyshevski.
    And he is not a revolutionary.

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    • my book says cto delat, plus you you used the same phrase up there... and yes, Lenin

      you have no idea

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      • Serb, Lenin wrote a book of the same name. In English we call it What is to be done? And boy, what mischief that little book has caused. Lesser minded comrades (which, let's face it, is the vast majority of them) took the book as a guidebook, irrespective of time and events. Lenin, himself, however, said the book no longer had any value after a couple of years. Eventually he had to write another book to counter it, Left-Wing Communism, An infantile disorder. (it goes under various names).
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • Originally posted by Ecthelion
          my book says cto delat, plus you you used the same phrase up there... and yes, Lenin

          you have no idea

          Just type "Chernishevsky" or "What Is to Be Done" in search engine.
          It's his the most known book.

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          • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
            Serb, Lenin wrote a book of the same name. In English we call it What is to be done? And boy, what mischief that little book has caused. Lesser minded comrades (which, let's face it, is the vast majority of them) took the book as a guidebook, irrespective of time and events. Lenin, himself, however, said the book no longer had any value after a couple of years. Eventually he had to write another book to counter it, Left-Wing Communism, An infantile disorder. (it goes under various names).
            Is this book have another head-line "Manifest komunisticheskoi partii" or " The manifesto of communist party"?

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            • No. Lenin wrote What is to be Done? Burning questions of our movement. in 1902. The basic premise is that under the conditions of illegality and repression facing the all-Russian Socialist Democratic Labor Party, there was a need for a centralized party aparatus.

              What would happen is that students would come to revolutionary conscienousness, begin learning Marxism, join workers circles, begain agitating for workers rihts, and then get crushed and killed or exiled. Then a new set of people would do the same, and nothing progressed beyond this point. The various circles were disconnected from each others.

              Lenin argued that in order to survive and grow, there needed to be a central party apparatus that could learn the lessons of the struggle and retain the necessary information to keep the struggle going as various circles were uncovered and destroyed. It would connect all the circles for a more vigorous debate. It would be democratic, but centralized. The party would debate, and then decide on a course of action which must be obeyed. Membership in the party is voluntary, so you go along with the decisions of the majority or you leave. The party should be made up of those who have dedicated themselves to revolution, and not dilitants and others not clear on the goal of scientific socialism.

              At the 1903 conference, the party split along the lines of the book, the majority with Lenin, agreeing to democratic centralism, the minority, refusing to be bound by the democratic decesions of the majority. Hence the names Majority-ite and Minority-ite, [i]Bolshevik[i] and Menshevik (I'm sure you know all this, but this is for the others).

              In the 1905 revolution, however, Lenin argued that the conditions had changed, the party needed to open itself up to the masses of workers and operate as a legal, above-ground party. His own book was quoted against him by those who refused to see that things had changed (but still democratic and centralized).
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • 1902?
                Then I was wrong. I guess he created «The manifest of Communist party» earlier, probably in end of 19 century.

                You know, we don't study his works in schools and universities since SU died. In Soviet times his works studied in every university regardless of specialization: D Perhaps today I don't think that it's too cool, but when I was a student I feel happiness that I don't have to study a huge amount of his works.

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                • I thought the communist manifesto was Karl Marx in the 1820s (or 1840s, can't remember which).
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                  • Lenin didn't write the Communist Manifesto. You're thinking of Karl Marx. The Manifesto was written in 1847-48.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • " -Cto Delat?
                      - Idi vzdrochni."

                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • Didn't I tell you that I'm not a commie? Now you believe me?
                        I never studied course the "History of communist party", because it was removed from curriculum when SU collapsed.

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                        • " -Cto Delat?
                          -Idi vzdrochni
                          Just don’t tell to Ecthelion, a to eshe obiditsa.

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                          • chegitz, "what to do" was just my lame attempt to translate it, "what is to be done" is probably a better translation. It's "Was tun?" in German

                            And Serb, you have so much of no idea at all, it bangs

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                            • Ecthelion,
                              Before Lenin wrote this article, the Russian writer Chernishevsky wrote the book with absolutely the same name.

                              And Serb, you have so much of no idea at all, it bangs
                              Why, you thought that I'm a communist?
                              Sorry commrade, I'm afraid I'm not.
                              Last edited by Serb; July 30, 2002, 14:27.

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                              • Serb: a ny yevo nahuy.
                                urgh.NSFW

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