When the Soviet Union comes back.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Dan Severn
Brainwashed?

Hardly. Brainwashing is what gives us political correctness. Brainwashing gives us people who think the united states had no effect on the second world war.

Brainwashing give us people who think that USA was the major force which defeated nazism during WW2.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sava
K19 was kewl

WTF did you smoked today Sava?

[JohnT]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Well the "communist experiment" had as its initial aim the betterment of the appauling living conditions of tens of millions.

So I can certaintly see that such a goal is noble.

Perhaps they would've done better if they would have focused on the appalling spelling of some peoples.

Such a goal might not be noble, but it still is worthy.

[DinoDoc]

I have to agree with your assessment, Sava. I'm amazed that they were able to survive thier predicament given the substandard equipment they had to work with.

[Sava]

Serb, that's why their called "Allies". Of course the US didn't defeat Nazism on its own. But it was a huge part of that victory. You are gravely mistaken if you think otherwise. But the Russians did just as much. Especially in stopping the Nazis at Stalingrad. Had Hitler gotten to the oil fields in the Caucausses, the war might not have been over in 1945. And the outcome would not have been as decisive. It was a team effort, folks.

[Krayzeenbk]

Really?
Can you prove that it was overthrown by POPULATION?

I can almost prove it wasn't.....

In the days of liberal, honest, and corrupt leadership (1990), around 90% of the populations of every remaining republic in the USSR were against the dissolution of the union. Their leaders were another matter.

If you don't know the history well, don't argue about it.
Many people have said the same things (including me) about how the coup in 1991 worked and who was who, but every once in a while new facts (hopefully they're facts ) come out in Russia and you have to change your understanding of everything.

1991 wasn't people rising up against the USSR.

It was the elite fighting each other...

Ever seen the images of those tanks in Moscow, with the people trying to stop them? Those were General Lebed's tanks, supporters of Yeltsin. Not one of the people trying to stop the tanks knew that they were on their side, nobody understood what was going on, not even Yeltsin himself.

But in the end the elite was discredited, and with it the entire Soviet Union. So all everyone else could do was just mop up and go their separate ways. You can't just replace the entire leadership of the USSR after 9 days of near-civil war.

[Sava]

smoking? what? me? never! ... it's just pencil shavings officer!

[JohnT]

I don't think the word "overthrown" is correct, but Communism did die worldwide... it just did so by apathy, by non-belief, by the decision of the populace to, well, not care anymore.

Apathy has destroyed more ideologies/religions than guns ever will.

Now I'll stop rambling.

[Serb]

Ouch, you didn't smoke today?
Are you trying to say that your statement had sense?
Please explain to me what do you mean when you said"K19 was kewl "?
I'm confused.

[Sava]

the movie was kewl... the one with Harrison Ford...

[JohnT]

Maybe Sava climbs mountains?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
Please explain to me what do you mean when you said"K19 was kewl "?
I'm confused.

He means that he liked the movie. I'm somewhat suprised that you haven't heard of it.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Krayzeenbk


I can almost prove it wasn't.....

In the days of liberal, honest, and corrupt leadership (1990), around 90% of the populations of every remaining republic in the USSR were against the dissolution of the union. Their leaders were another matter.

If you don't know the history well, don't argue about it.
Many people have said the same things (including me) about how the coup in 1991 worked and who was who, but every once in a while new facts (hopefully they're facts ) come out in Russia and you have to change your understanding of everything.

1991 wasn't people rising up against the USSR.

It was the elite fighting each other...

Excellent. This is exactly what I was mean, when asked this question.

[Sava]

I climb mountains just like you go ass spelunking, johnt.

[JohnT]

Uh, I guess that means you don't?

Btw, why the attitude?