8 Children Killed in Israeli Attack

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
We didn't join the nazis. If we would have, we would have sent troops to fight with the nazis like the hungarians and italians did.

To avoid being invaded we sold steel instead. Do you really think greece would have done anything else?

It did.

[Bereta_Eder]

I dont agree with Dr. Strangelove.

I dont think the Swedes of today have any guilt.

acually this whole allegded guilt trip of europe towards jews is a hoax in order to justify to the "world" why europe will not tolerate acts of terrorism from either side.

[CyberGnu]

Wasn't Greece invaded by Italy?

[Bereta_Eder]

After refusing to join the Axis.

[CyberGnu]

Well, the problem here Strangelove is that Sweden didn't do ANYTHING to the jews, so we don't have any guilt.

We elected not to have our own citizens killed in a war we couldn't have won in the best of cases, and would have been catastropic in the worst of cases.

And I still don't know what this argument does in this thread. Open a new thread for it if you think it is worth the effort.

[CyberGnu]

Paikitis, well, then you didn't have a choice. You didn't join, neither did Sweden. The only difference was that Sweden had a better bargaining position.

[Bereta_Eder]

We had the choice to say "Yes" instead of "No" and let the italians and the germans use greek soil for their operations as was the demand of the italians.

About not being able to win anyway, Greece was thought by all that it would certaintly fall under a 6 times larger Italy.

It did not. and yes Italians are said to suck at war but they were still 6 times larger.


So sometimes things that are hopeless are not always so.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Well, the problem here Strangelove is that Sweden didn't do ANYTHING to the jews, so we don't have any guilt.

We elected not to have our own citizens killed in a war we couldn't have won in the best of cases, and would have been catastropic in the worst of cases.

And I still don't know what this argument does in this thread. Open a new thread for it if you think it is worth the effort.

(1) You stood by and let it happen, even though you were in a unique position to have knowledge about the holocaust.
(2) You supplied the Nazis with the means to make weapons to oppose the would be rescuers of Hitler's victims. In fact, without you Germany would have been unable to make the high grade weapons that enabled them to hold off superior forces for so long.
If you're in downtown Washington and you give a gun to a known gangsta who goes out and shoots a kid you share the guilt in my eyes.
(3) My message is relevant to this thread in so far as you have blamed the Jews for the conflict in Israel because they are occupying land that once belonged to the Palestinians. I'm pointing out that you Europeans actually bear the blame because you drove them out of their European homes. Making guns for the anti-semites gives you a share of the blame.

[CyberGnu]

Paikitis, I don't see what you are getting at.

Sweden said no to joining the axis, just as greece did. While the axis invaded greece, however, Sweden said that if the axis invaded, we would blow up our mines.

As I said, the only real difference was that Sweden had a better bargaining position. And can you honestly tell me that if Greece had that third option (sell steel to germany or be invaded), they would have said no?

[CyberGnu]

Strangelove, if a guy in downtown DC points a gun to my head and forces me to give him my knife, and he then uses that knife to kill someone, am I still guilty? Should I risk my life to keep the knife from him?

I don't think so. Yet this is exactly what you ask for.

BTW, what is this unique position you refer too? From what I know, Sweden knew just as much as the allies did about the endlosung.

[blackice]

CyberGnu provided you are mature enough to grasp this... That is seriously in question....

Your "opinion" does not count....

One more time the break done of the casualties are correct. The guidelines used are the same ones they used to determin the Jenin situation.

Your "opinion" does not count....are you with me here? Your explanation and supposed reality of reason are non-sense. You simply have no idea what you are talking about. Yet you continue to defend it? Admit it stop with the baby routine.

One more time, the break done of the casualties are correct. The guidelines used are the same ones they used to determine the Jenin situation.

Now are you going to tell us all here that not only are they wrong but so is the guidelines on how to determine who is a casualty and who is not?

Pretty bold coming from someone who repeats “shut up” as a defense of their "opinions"....

Now please provide other than pure non-sense a link to show these facts are not true. Your “opinion” simply does not count. Until then you can jump up and down hold your breath continue to act childish do what ever you wish. Until you provide something other than lack of knowledge to back your “opinion” that is all it is.

[The Mad Monk]

blackice, he isn't worth your time.

[CyberGnu]

BlackIce, how about this:

You show me exactly where in the UN report they break down the casualties in 'violent protestor', 'uniformed non-combatant' or 'propable combatant', and I'll cnceed the entire thread to you, and I will apologize officially.

If you can't show me, however, you admit that you have no idea what you are talking about, and you apologize to me.

How about that? Do we have a deal?



Of course, I expect that one out of two things will happen: You will either respond with name-calling, or you will not respond at all. I harbor no illusions that you are man enough to admit when you are wrong.

[CyberGnu]

Monk, why would that be? Because he would only achieve mental anguish if he realizes what horrors he is defending, while if he avoids the issue he can stay in blissful ignorance?

[blackice]

CyberGnu How about this you back up what you claim (opinion) and we move on?

Do not try to babble your way out of this you made the "opinion" back it up. Clearly by asking me to provide you with information you ceed. By that I mean you have no clue do you?

Provide information a link anything to back your claim and we debate. Other than that you ceed.
Enough with the babble prove your claims worthy of debate. At this point this debate has gone well over your head. Obviously you are trying to find a way out.

Provide me with a legal break down of the casualties showing that link to be "propaganda" and you will be right. Until then back peddle, challenge, name call or ignore you will be just an "opinion" with no basis in fact.

I also believe you have done enough research to know I am right. You are not stupid by any means just a little sided on the facts.

Now before you try to take advantage of time zones or personal off line activities, like a life....again. I have a child and time is late here. I may even go fishing this weekend. Produce as much non-sense as you can I will be back. But until you "prove" your "opinion" You really have nothing to say do you?