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  • #61
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara


    I have an anti-freedom crusade? More than one, apparently. I, apparently, am someone who is up to no good. I should be reported to the proper authorities.
    Done and Done.

    *Hears knocking on Chegitz's door*

    "Open up! Fez has reported you"
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #62
      What's really interesting is how none of the right-wingers' arguements adress the point that was raised. Basically for a period of time rainfall dropped, this rainfall drop may have been caused by all sorts of things but isn't it silly to start talking about corruption et al in the context of this isolated drought when, the last time I checked, corruption doesn't cause a fall in rainfall?

      Also why the hell do you think there's so much corruption in africa? The colonial higher education systems were crap and they remain crap today partially because of the IMF demanding education cut backs as a condition for loans. If there isn't even basic education in place how do you expect a modern state to be efficiently run and the way the colonial borders were drawn pretty much randomly with regards to the native population certainly didn't help matters.

      edited because avoiding typos is HARD
      Last edited by Bosh; July 23, 2002, 01:19.
      Stop Quoting Ben

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      • #63
        Boshko lay off right-wingers, you lefty hardly grasp any concepts here either.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #64
          Originally posted by chegitz guevara


          I have an anti-freedom crusade? More than one, apparently. I, apparently, am someone who is up to no good. I should be reported to the proper authorities.

          So, rmsharpe, you seem to be another person who failed to read the article, as well as subsequent commentary.
          Chegitz, some people find it offensive to be asked to read an article about the topic being discussed.

          But I appreciate Chegitz's thread on this -- an interesting article, but we just have to prove how much of it is true, and how much of it is not.
          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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          • #65
            It's amazing how much people dismiss a reasonable, well-substantiated scientific hypothesis on purely ideological grounds.
            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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            • #66
              I didn't read the article and I just want to say:


              Fliboostie!
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Asher
                Obviously the only solution is to carpetbomb the 1st world so that the third world people will no longer be in famine. It's such a simple solution, why hasn't anyone thought of this?!


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                • #68
                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                  First of all, I'd like to point out that I stressed may because it's only a hypothesis supported by computer modeling.

                  Second, there is a infinately larger likelyhood that the famine was caused by pollution that fluffy puppy dogs, if only because the probablity and possibility of the latter is zero.

                  David Floyd, if it were true, you wouldn't have to give up anything because production of the suspect compunds has already been scaled down, hence the drop in African famines.

                  However, I find your statement hypocritical given your libertarian philosophy. You have no right to force your pollution on someone else. You are responsible for what that pollution does, and if you don't wish to change your lifestyle to get rid of that pollution, then you must pay compensation to the victims of your pollution.

                  Fez, it's clear that you either did not read the article or you did not understand it. Leaking fuel oil tanks would not produce the pollution that is under question in this article, i.e., sulfur-oxygen compounds which reduce sunlight leading to lowered evaporation of sea water leading to less rain clouds in the Sahel.


                  As for famine, I have long pointed out that famine is largely caused by political and economic, rather the meteorlogical problems. Famine is a problem not of production but of distribution. There is enough food to feed all the starving of the world, they simply lack the resources to obtain it. However, a drought can create a famine for people who were previously able to produce their own food.
                  I'm going to post now before reading the rest of this thread because I find myself in complete agreement with Chegitz here, and that is such a rare thing in a post of his as long as the one quoted above that it should be savored. Thank you.
                  He's got the Midas touch.
                  But he touched it too much!
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                  • #69
                    Africa needs to get it's $*&$ together, not blame America for all of it's problems. Maybe if they stopped playing cowboy and indian and started acting like civilized people, they wouldn't have this problem.
                    -rmsharpe

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                    • #70
                      Africa needs to get it's $*&$ together, not blame America for all of it's problems. Maybe if they stopped playing cowboy and indian and started acting like civilized people, they wouldn't have this problem.
                      Aaaaak another one!
                      Aaaaah the things you learn on Apolyton, apparently now "playing cowboy and indian" causes drops in rainfall! Wow! So next time its rainy outside I just need to shoot some arrows in some townies and it'll get nice and dry
                      Stop Quoting Ben

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                      • #71
                        He does have a point. If the cowboys kill all the indians, then who's gonna do the rain dance? Answer that, lefty smart-man!
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