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  • #16
    Originally posted by Asher
    To give you some kind of idea just how obsolete the Mac hardware is, here's some results from the industry-standard cross-platform SPEC CPU benchmarks.

    AMD Athlon XP 2200+:
    SPECint2000= 765
    CINT2000 Result: Advanced Micro Devices Epox 8KHA+ Motherboard, AMD Athlon (TM) XP 2200+
    http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q3/cpu2000-20020701-01441.html

    SPECfp2000 = 671
    CFP2000 Result: Advanced Micro Devices Epox 8KHA+ Motherboard, AMD Athlon (TM) XP 2200+
    http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q3/cpu2000-20020701-01442.html


    Intel Pentium 4 2.53GHz:
    SPECint2000 = 922
    CINT2000 Result: Dell Precision WorkStation 340 (2.53 GHz P4)
    http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q2/cpu2000-20020520-01377.html

    SPECfp2000 = 901
    CFP2000 Result: Dell Precision WorkStation 340 (2.53 GHz P4)
    http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q2/cpu2000-20020520-01378.html


    Motorola G4 DUAL 1GHz:
    SPECint2000 = 307
    CINT2000 Result: Apple Inc. Power Mac G4 Dual 1 GHz (tested by Heise Verlag)
    http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as/spec/ct0205182/G4_Dual_1GHz/CINT2000.002.html

    SPECfp2000 = 188
    http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as/spec/ct0205182/G4_Dual_1GHz/CFP2000.002.pdf


    Even with a DUAL 1GHz, the G4 puts in an ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC benchmark score. Keep in mind you can get Dual Athlons and dual Pentium 4 (Xeons) as well, you just don't need to.

    What boggles my mind even more is you can get an Athlon XP 2200+ system for less than the dual 1GHz system. You could even get a Pentium 4 2.53GHz system for less. It's simply amazing Apple can get away with this, and even more amazing that they've brainwashed many of the Apple followers to think they've got a "supercomputer".
    Regardless of benchmark scores, what I'm trying to say is that most applications today run fine on a system that is at least 700mhz, and most Macs run right around this speed. Anything above 1Ghz is almost insane for today's standards.
    HAVE A DAY.
    <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
    "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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    • #17
      I've heard that macs are better with presentation graphics. But my boss is a mac fanatic, so I really don't know myself.

      However, an Inspiron 5000 will get you all the hot chicks.
      “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
      "Capitalism ho!"

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cloud9
        I'm not talking about quantity. I'm talking about quality. What can the software do?
        Again, this is bull****.

        Why would the software on the Mac let you do more? Does that make any sense to you?

        There may be the odd obscure program that's not available on the PC, but there are far more programs on the PC that aren't available on Mac. And that's not a simple "quantity" argument, it's the idea that these programs do a whole bunch of different things and you can't get them all on the Mac.
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DaShi
          However, an Inspiron 5000 will get you all the hot chicks.
          HAVE A DAY.
          <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
          "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
          For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cloud9
            Regardless of benchmark scores, what I'm trying to say is that most applications today run fine on a system that is at least 700mhz, and most Macs run right around this speed. Anything above 1Ghz is almost insane for today's standards.
            Call me stupid, but why are you going to spend a lot of money on a system that isn't any more powerful than your current system, and offers less software for it?
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Asher
              Look, it's a personal thing.

              From all logical standpoints the PC is the best option.

              But if you prefer a flashier, cuter interface and don't mind paying more for inferior hardware, don't mind having a minimal selection of games (which come out long after the PC versions, if at all), then the Mac is for you.
              Originally posted by Asher


              The G4 is obsolete. The only reason it's still around is because the successor is an even bigger screwup for Motorola and they can't get it to work right.
              The RAM is obsolete. PCs switched to high-speed DDR 266/333 SDRAM and RDRAM 1-2 years ago, the Mac is still chugging along on PC133 SDRAM.
              The system bus is obsolete. PCs switched to a 266MHz system bus (Athlon) years ago, and the Pentium 4s have a 533MHz system bus -- Apple has a 133MHz system bus.
              The graphics chips are identical to the PC versions, except Apple charges a significant markup on them in their stores.

              "Multimedia" is better on Macs in very few areas, mostly in the very professional areas -- and this is due to the fact that that's where the software is, not hardware.

              There's zero advantage of the Mac hardware over PC hardware for consumers -- a big disadvantage actually.
              Originally posted by Asher

              Again, this is bull****.

              Why would the software on the Mac let you do more? Does that make any sense to you?

              There may be the odd obscure program that's not available on the PC, but there are far more programs on the PC that aren't available on Mac. And that's not a simple "quantity" argument, it's the idea that these programs do a whole bunch of different things and you can't get them all on the Mac.
              Originally posted by Asher

              Complete bull. Macs have FAR less software, how would that let you do more?

              To give you some kind of idea just how obsolete the Mac hardware is, here's some results from the industry-standard cross-platform SPEC CPU benchmarks.

              AMD Athlon XP 2200+:
              SPECint2000= 765
              CINT2000 Result: Advanced Micro Devices Epox 8KHA+ Motherboard, AMD Athlon (TM) XP 2200+
              http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q3/cpu2000-20020701-01441.html

              SPECfp2000 = 671
              CFP2000 Result: Advanced Micro Devices Epox 8KHA+ Motherboard, AMD Athlon (TM) XP 2200+
              http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q3/cpu2000-20020701-01442.html


              Intel Pentium 4 2.53GHz:
              SPECint2000 = 922
              CINT2000 Result: Dell Precision WorkStation 340 (2.53 GHz P4)
              http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q2/cpu2000-20020520-01377.html

              SPECfp2000 = 901
              CFP2000 Result: Dell Precision WorkStation 340 (2.53 GHz P4)
              http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q2/cpu2000-20020520-01378.html


              Motorola G4 DUAL 1GHz:
              SPECint2000 = 307
              CINT2000 Result: Apple Inc. Power Mac G4 Dual 1 GHz (tested by Heise Verlag)
              http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as/spec/ct0205182/G4_Dual_1GHz/CINT2000.002.html

              SPECfp2000 = 188
              http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as/spec/ct0205182/G4_Dual_1GHz/CFP2000.002.pdf


              Even with a DUAL 1GHz, the G4 puts in an ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC benchmark score. Keep in mind you can get Dual Athlons and dual Pentium 4 (Xeons) as well, you just don't need to.

              What boggles my mind even more is you can get an Athlon XP 2200+ system for less than the dual 1GHz system. You could even get a Pentium 4 2.53GHz system for less. It's simply amazing Apple can get away with this, and even more amazing that they've brainwashed many of the Apple followers to think they've got a "supercomputer".
              Originally posted by Asher

              Call me stupid, but why are you going to spend a lot of money on a system that isn't any more powerful than your current system, and offers less software for it?
              All this negative talk about Macs makes me wonder why you'd even recommend it.
              HAVE A DAY.
              <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
              "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
              For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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              • #22
                The first post was kind of a joke, saying I'd prefer you'd "stand over there" and proclaim your love for Apple because it helps my case.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #23
                  HAVE A DAY.
                  <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                  "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                  For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                  • #24
                    because Macs are for the Computer Illiterate and Mac junkies

                    he was joking

                    Jon Miller
                    Jon Miller-
                    I AM.CANADIAN
                    GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                    • #25
                      So by your avoidance to my question I'll assume you see my point in the stupidity behind ditching your old PC for a similarly-powered Mac for a lot of money only to have less software for it?
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Jon Miller
                        because Macs are for the Computer Illiterate and Mac junkies

                        he was joking

                        Jon Miller
                        Illiterate, eh? Well, I'm not illiterate, but I'd say that adds up to ease of use, wouldn't you?
                        HAVE A DAY.
                        <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                        "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                        For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                        • #27
                          for the power over my system which I want PCs are much better

                          Macs are only better if you want no control (because you cannot be trusted with any)

                          to get control over a Mac, you need Linux level know how

                          Jon Miller
                          Jon Miller-
                          I AM.CANADIAN
                          GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                          • #28
                            Asher:

                            Hey, do you have the 800 number for Gateway's customer service? My folks' PC broke down *again* and they burned the card containing the number after the last time the PC broke down six months ago or so.

                            Oh, calm down, Asher. I'm jus' being sassy cuz you were also.

                            Gatekeeper
                            "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                            "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Gatekeeper
                              Hey, do you have the 800 number for Gateway's customer service? My folks' PC broke down *again* and they burned the card containing the number after the last time the PC broke down six months ago or so.
                              Gateway? You should probably call 911 before it catches fire.
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Asher
                                So by your avoidance to my question I'll assume you see my point in the stupidity behind ditching your old PC for a similarly-powered Mac for a lot of money only to have less software for it?
                                Well, Asher, you seem to have confused me by saying that you personally feel I should buy a Mac, but you say that it would be stupid.

                                So for the time being, I'm not going to take your advice literally. And no, I'm not drowning you out again--I just don't trust you yet.
                                HAVE A DAY.
                                <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                                "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                                For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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