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    Help Cloud9 make a decision about what kind of computer to buy

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    Ok, you've probably seen the commercials on TV, maybe. But have ever really thought about switching from a PC to a Mac? I have. I've looked at this site as well as others (PC Magazine, CNET, ZDnet) and I have to say that I am very compelled to switch. But I'd like to see what other Macintosh users have to say before I buy. Here are my questions about Macintosh computers:

    What are the advantages and disadvantages of using a Macintosh instead of a PC?

    In what ways are Macintosh's and PC's compatible with each other?

    Is there good software for the Macintosh, despite their being only about 3,000 titles for Mac OS compared to Windows' 30,000 titles?

    Do Macintosh's work better with Internet, about the same, or not as good as a PC?

    How do Macintosh's perform in comparison to PC's?

    How well do games run on Macintosh's compared to PC's?

    How reliable and secure are Macintosh computers compared to a PC's?

    Are Macintosh computers highly expandable and easy to upgrade?

    Is owning a Macintosh worth the the steep price?

    I may have more questions later.

    Wait's for Asher's response. . .

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    Just for the record folks, I rarely play games on my computer; if I do play games, it's usually at a friends house on a console. But I do like to surf the Internet and listen to music. I would also like to be able to watch DVD movies, burn CD's, and burn DVD's. I would like something that has plenty of firewire and usb ports. And yes, I do work with graphics occasionally. I would like to have something that's portable, but it doesn't have to be "ultra-portable" (I don't plan on using my computer in the car, on a plane, a boat, a train, or whatever. I just want to be able to take it with me wherever I go and plug it into an outlet when I want to use it).

    Despite the high price (I'm willing to shell out some extra bucks anyway, even on a PC), the new iMacs seem to fit my demands.
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    Both are equally impressive, so it's your call. :cute:
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    :hmmm: I've never used a Mac, so I couldn't tell you.
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    :hmmm: I've never used a PC, so I couldn't tell you.
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    Perhaps you should try switching to Banana! :D
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    Last edited by Mr. Nice Guy; July 22, 2002, 11:13.
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    "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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  • #2
    You definitely need to buy a Mac.

    Don't ask any more questions, switch now. Make sure you let everyone know you use a Mac. This way you can successfully join the ranks of Panag and Wiglaf.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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    • #3
      Well, what a surprise answer from Asher.
      HAVE A DAY.
      <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
      "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
      For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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      • #4
        Look, it's a personal thing.

        From all logical standpoints the PC is the best option.

        But if you prefer a flashier, cuter interface and don't mind paying more for inferior hardware, don't mind having a minimal selection of games (which come out long after the PC versions, if at all), then the Mac is for you.
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Asher
          . . .don't mind paying more for inferior hardware.
          Inferior hardware? But I've heard that Macintosh's have much better multimedia than PC's.
          HAVE A DAY.
          <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
          "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
          For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cloud9
            Inferior hardware? But I've heard that Macintosh's have much better multimedia than PC's.

            The G4 is obsolete. The only reason it's still around is because the successor is an even bigger screwup for Motorola and they can't get it to work right.
            The RAM is obsolete. PCs switched to high-speed DDR 266/333 SDRAM and RDRAM 1-2 years ago, the Mac is still chugging along on PC133 SDRAM.
            The system bus is obsolete. PCs switched to a 266MHz system bus (Athlon) years ago, and the Pentium 4s have a 533MHz system bus -- Apple has a 133MHz system bus.
            The graphics chips are identical to the PC versions, except Apple charges a significant markup on them in their stores.

            "Multimedia" is better on Macs in very few areas, mostly in the very professional areas -- and this is due to the fact that that's where the software is, not hardware.

            There's zero advantage of the Mac hardware over PC hardware for consumers -- a big disadvantage actually.
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #7
              I've heard that most customers say that Macintosh's give them ample performance to run most applications.

              Now I've heard that you can do more with a Macintosh, but not in terms of hardware capabilites, but software capabilities. True?
              HAVE A DAY.
              <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
              "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
              For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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              • #8
                But you can't play as many games

                nor as well

                PCs

                Jon Miller
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jon Miller
                  But you can't play as many games

                  nor as well

                  PCs

                  Jon Miller
                  Fine with me, I don't play that many games anyway. Besides, with Virtual PC 5.0 I can install Windows XP on it and play Windows games.
                  HAVE A DAY.
                  <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                  "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                  For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                  • #10
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                    • #11
                      You should buy an Inspiron 5000. Preferably used and preferably from a fellow poster.
                      “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DaShi
                        . . .preferably from a fellow poster.
                        I guess that would mean you.
                        HAVE A DAY.
                        <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                        "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                        For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                        • #13
                          Or someone like me.
                          “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                          "Capitalism ho!"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cloud9
                            I've heard that most customers say that Macintosh's give them ample performance to run most applications.

                            Now I've heard that you can do more with a Macintosh, but not in terms of hardware capabilites, but software capabilities. True?
                            Complete bull. Macs have FAR less software, how would that let you do more?

                            To give you some kind of idea just how obsolete the Mac hardware is, here's some results from the industry-standard cross-platform SPEC CPU benchmarks.

                            AMD Athlon XP 2200+:
                            SPECint2000= 765
                            CINT2000 Result: Advanced Micro Devices Epox 8KHA+ Motherboard, AMD Athlon (TM) XP 2200+
                            http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q3/cpu2000-20020701-01441.html

                            SPECfp2000 = 671
                            CFP2000 Result: Advanced Micro Devices Epox 8KHA+ Motherboard, AMD Athlon (TM) XP 2200+
                            http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q3/cpu2000-20020701-01442.html


                            Intel Pentium 4 2.53GHz:
                            SPECint2000 = 922
                            CINT2000 Result: Dell Precision WorkStation 340 (2.53 GHz P4)
                            http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q2/cpu2000-20020520-01377.html

                            SPECfp2000 = 901
                            CFP2000 Result: Dell Precision WorkStation 340 (2.53 GHz P4)
                            http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q2/cpu2000-20020520-01378.html


                            Motorola G4 DUAL 1GHz:
                            SPECint2000 = 307
                            CINT2000 Result: Apple Inc. Power Mac G4 Dual 1 GHz (tested by Heise Verlag)
                            http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as/spec/ct0205182/G4_Dual_1GHz/CINT2000.002.html

                            SPECfp2000 = 188
                            http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/as/spec/ct0205182/G4_Dual_1GHz/CFP2000.002.pdf


                            Even with a DUAL 1GHz, the G4 puts in an ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC benchmark score. Keep in mind you can get Dual Athlons and dual Pentium 4 (Xeons) as well, you just don't need to.

                            What boggles my mind even more is you can get an Athlon XP 2200+ system for less than the dual 1GHz system. You could even get a Pentium 4 2.53GHz system for less. It's simply amazing Apple can get away with this, and even more amazing that they've brainwashed many of the Apple followers to think they've got a "supercomputer".
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Asher
                              Complete bull. Macs have FAR less software, how would that let you do more?
                              I'm not talking about quantity. I'm talking about quality. What can the software do?
                              HAVE A DAY.
                              <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                              "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                              For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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