Israel's New Plan - Punish the families

[chequita guevara]

I did think about that, Lefty, but my understanding is that the prepartations are generally not made in the homes of the suicide bombers. This would tip off the family that their kid is about to kill him or herself. And despite the "pride" that is displayed for the "martyrs" most people don't want their children committing suicide even to get at the enemy.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
To treat them like human beings for one.

Is that all?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Actually, that probably would go a massive way to making the Palestinians like the Israelis much more.

[Carver]

Originally posted by Sprayber


Exactly what would make the Palistinians like Israel?

Israel halting its continuing theft of Palestinian land.

[Sprayber]

A better question for you Imran is exactly how far do you support the Pal?

Do you just support their goal of a state?

Do you support their control of all land from the Jordan river to the sea?

How far does your support go? To what extreme do you think they should goal. How many dead isrealies is too much for you.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think they should get a state on 1967 borders. Basically the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip territories.

As to what extreme, that is up to them, I guess. However, I will say that Palestinians in Israel have no right to use bombings, because they are part of a democratic society and have a voice in it. Only those who are occupied can resort to violence to gain a voice.

[Sava]

I say good , maybe that will act as a deterent.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Sprayber


Exactly what would make the Palistinians like Israel?

Israel's annhilation...

[Eli]

Finally.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I think they should get a state on 1967 borders. Basically the entire West Bank and Gaza Strip territories.

As to what extreme, that is up to them, I guess. However, I will say that Palestinians in Israel have no right to use bombings, because they are part of a democratic society and have a voice in it. Only those who are occupied can resort to violence to gain a voice.

Lets say that Isreal withdrew to those borders today and did not reenter them. do you think that the viloence will stop? Do you think that Hamas and those like them be satisfied. If they aren't, Would Isreal be justified in attacking the Pals then?

[Imran Siddiqui]

maybe that will act as a deterent.

It'll just make them just as angry and lead to same, if not more, suicide bombings. I mean, this is like a bad movie, where you are always saying, "No, don't do that... don't you know that is the dumb thing!". Only thing is, this isn't a movie, and the idiot is a country named Israel.

[Sprayber]

I mean, this is like a bad movie, where you are always saying, "No, don't do that... don't you know that is the dumb thing!". Only thing is, this isn't a movie, and the idiot is a country named Israel. [/QUOTE]

Not a bad movie, just a bad TV show.

Jerusalem (SatireWire.com) — Sources on the set of "Israel," history's longest-running drama, say irascible stars Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat angrily walked off the set today, complaining that the show's scriptwriters continually make their characters say and do stupid things.


"I'm supposed to be the Prime Minister of a country that's embroiled in this terrible conflict, where diplomacy and tact and wisdom should be important, but you people always have me playing this great pompous prat!" Sharon reportedly shouted before throwing his script on the ground and storming off to his trailer.

"I swear, if you hacks have me bulldozing one more Palestinian village, or making one more asinine, inflammatory comment, I'm filing a complaint with Actors Equity," he added.

Arafat was allegedly no less piqued at the way recent treatments have depicted the gruff, unlovable Palestinian chief he portrays.

"A few seasons ago, my character was an influential creep, but now the script calls for everyone, even my own people, to treat me like a neutered creep," grumbled Arafat as he sulked off to the small tent he's allowed to occupy on the remote outskirts of the set. "I'm starting to think they want to write me out of the series for next season."

While the show's producers insisted the temperamental stars were simply overwrought due to a tight production schedule, television critics said they too have found themselves wincing at times, particularly over Sharon's lines.

"It's like in a horror movie, when one of the characters is about to do something dumb like open a closet door or look under the bed, and you're watching and you want to scream, 'No, don't do it!'" said Los Angeles Times TV critic James Boldini. "Well, that's what they've done with the Sharon character. You're watching and you say, 'Oh God, don't say that!' But he always does."

"That's OK when it's Just Shoot Me or Married with Children, but this is supposed to be a reality-based drama," Boldini added.

Boldini also said the writing on the show has "definitely gone downhill" since the popular Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat were in the cast.

"A perfect example is that episode a couple of weeks back, when Sharon says he wished he had killed Arafat 20 years ago," he said. "I mean, c'mon, why would a head of state publicly say something so incendiary and stupid? He just wouldn't."

Viewers also expressed dissapointment. Peter Curlimo of Chicago rolled his eyes over a "particularly absurd" January installment.

"In previous episodes, they had set it up so Arafat has this great opportunity to make the world feel sorry for his people's cause and maybe put pressure on Israel, right?" said Curlimo. "But then they have his character blow it by secretly buying a big old arms shipment from Iran so he comes off looking like a total lying, conniving jerk."

"It's a basic rule of fiction," Curlimo added. "You have to make at least one of the main characters, if not likable, then at least a sympathetic figure. You'd think these writers would know that."


In the drama America, the character of George Bush is allowed to grow. Here he is in an early episode, speaking on a phone with no cord.
According to agent Lenny Waldman, who represents both Sharon and Arafat, the show's staff is also making a mistake by not letting the two characters evolve. Israel's writers, Waldman said, should take their cue from "America: The Series".

"The cool thing about America is they let the actors grow into the roles," Waldman said. "Like the George W. Bush character. Remember how early in the season he started out really bumbling, but then they let his character develop until, in that one climactic scene, the whole U.S. Senate officially declares him no longer goofy? Now that is compelling television."

According to Waldman, both Sharon and Arafat have announced they want their characters re-written before they will return. Israel, head writer Kent Loring, however, insisted it couldn't be done.

"What are we supposed to do, have Sharon suddenly turn around and say 'OK, let's try to work something out and make peace?'" Loring asked. "Or I'm gonna have Arafat suddenly do what he promises to do? That would be totally out of character and no one would believe it."

Loring denied rumors that in the season finale, Sharon will turn out to be Arafat's long-lost brother. However, he did say the final episode would be "explosive" and "definitely a can't miss."

But if "Israel" continues on the self-destructive path the writers seem bent on, the question in many viewers' minds is, "Will there be anyone left on the set to watch?"

[Ned]

CG, Are you aware, CG, that coercion and threats against families are/were used by all communist countries to intimidate those who have escaped to the West? In other words, you CG, a declared communist, have no legitimate right to complain about Israel's new policy on terrorists families.

[TheBirdMan]

Why does the israelies not wipe them (the partisans/terrorists AND their families AND all other in the villages the partisans/terrorists came from) to death and then behead them all?

The romans did that to their enemies some 2000 years ago (I am just reading the books about the roman family by Colleen McCullough) and I do not see much difference in the way Israel/palestine and Rome/Italic tribes regards/regarded each others.

[chequita guevara]

Ned, you are aware I'm not a Stalinist, and that real communism is punishable by death in most "Communist" countries?