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  • Israel's New Plan - Punish the families

    Israel Arrests Attackers' Relatives

    Jul 19, 11:34 AM (ET)

    By MARK LAVIE

    JERUSALEM (AP) - Israeli soldiers arrested 16 relatives of two Palestinians suspected in bloody terror attacks this week, and, in what would be a new policy, officials Friday were considering expelling some of the men to the Gaza Strip.

    Israel Radio said expulsion of the fathers and brothers reflect new harsh measures the Israeli government is considering to deter potential attackers. Israeli soldiers also destroyed the family homes of the two suspected Palestinian militants.

    In a statement, the militant group Hamas threatened to launch "unique martyrdom operations," if the deportations are carried out, a reference to suicide attacks.

    The two attacks, a bus ambush in the West Bank and a double suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, were the first fatal strikes against Israeli civilians since Israeli forces moved into seven of the eight main Palestinian towns and cities in the West Bank on June 20, after back-to-back suicide bombings in Jerusalem.

    A woman injured in the bus ambush near an Israeli settlement in the West Bank on Tuesday, Yocheved Ben-Hanan, 21, died in Tel Aviv hospital Thursday, police said, bringing the death toll to nine. Three bystanders, including two foreign workers, were killed in the double suicide bombing in Tel Aviv on Wednesday.

    A new group affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement called Al-Nazir, "the warning" in Arabic, claimed responsibility for the Tel Aviv bombing, identifying the bombers as Mohammed Attala, 18, and Ibrahim Najie, 19, from the Balata refugee camp, next to Nablus.

    Overnight, Israeli forces moved into the Askar refugee camp and the nearby village of Tel, near Nablus, the military and residents said.

    In Tel, soldiers destroyed the house of Nasser Aseida, 26, a leader of the Hamas military wing who was suspected of organizing the bus ambush. Soldiers arrested his father and four brothers, and detained relatives of two other wanted Hamas leaders, who are in hiding, like Aseida.

    In a similar operation in the Askar refugee camp, soldiers destroyed the house of a leader of the Fatah-linked Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades militia, Ali Ajouri, 23, badly damaging several nearby houses, residents said. Soldiers arrested Ajouri's father and two brothers, they said. Ajouri was not captured.

    Altogether, the Israelis detained 16 men, Palestinians said. In a statement, the military said the operation was "part of the war against the terrorist infrastructure."

    A senior Israeli official said the government was awaiting final recommendations from Attorney General Elyakim Rubinstein - expected within a few days - on whether deporting the 16 men to Gaza was legal.

    Rubinstein initially recommended that there were legal grounds for "selective deportation to Gaza" for those people "directly involved in supporting" the militants, the official added.

    If Rubinstein approves and the Cabinet determines deportations would be an effective deterrent, the government would proceed, the official said on condition of anonymity.

    Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, a veteran peace campaigner who supports talks with the Palestinians, said he would support the new measures if they win legal approval.

    Palestinian Cabinet Minister Saeb Erekat denounced the deportation idea as a war crime and violation of the fourth Geneva Convention, which governs the treatment of civilians in war zones.

    "When nations in the year 2002 decide on collective punishment, and decide to deport (families) from one place to another, this is a war crime, and we will pursue it as such," he said.

    The Israeli human rights group Betselem said the Geneva Conventions banned forced deportations and said such collective punishment "will constitute an unerasable moral blight on the state of Israel."

    Israel used the deportation tactic quite often in the 1980s, but largely held off until it sent 26 militants to the Gaza Strip in May to end a standoff at Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity.

    The most famous deportation occurred in December 1982 when the government expelled about 415 men associated with Hamas and Islamic Jihad to southern Lebanon after a wave of attacks.

    They eventually returned, with many using the bomb-making skills learned from the militant Hezbollah group to attack Israelis.

    Ranya Ajouri, a relative of Ali, said Israeli soldiers ordered the families out of the three-story house without giving them a chance to put on clothes or shoes. Told about the possibility that the men would be sent to Gaza, she said, "We have no relation to Ali's activities. Everyone should be responsible for his own behavior."

    While the army did not say how many people were detained in connection with the attacks, it said it had arrested 16 militants in sweeps of other villages across the West Bank on Friday for alleged "terrorist activities."

    Palestinian officials say they are powerless to assume control because Israeli forces have imposed curfews in the main areas, preventing Palestinian security from operating.

    On Friday, the Israeli military said it was lifting curfews in the towns of Qalqiliya and Tulkarem "until further notice," and in Jenin and Hebron during the day Friday. The Israelis have said they would ease restrictions in the Palestinian towns they control if calm is maintained.

    Also Friday, Palestinian police shot and killed the driver for an imam, or preacher, who has criticized the Palestinian Authority, according to witnesses in the Maghazi refugee camp south of Gaza City.

    The imam, Ahmed Hijazi, who also is a member of Islamic Jihad, sped away from police after Friday prayers. The driver was killed in the ensuing gunfire while Hijazi ran away, witnesses said.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

  • #2
    Totally wrong, of course.
    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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    • #3
      Ouch... this is REALLY guilt by association!
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #4
        Yes, this is much more wrong than killing anyone who's Israeli because of what the Israeli Government does.
        "Let us kill the English! Their concept of individual rights could undermine the power of our beloved tyrants!"

        ~Lisa as Jeanne d'Arc

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        • #5
          "Yes, this is much more wrong than killing anyone who's Israeli because of what the Israeli Government does."

          No, the sucide bombings are worse, but this act of what Israel is doing is also wrong.
          "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

          "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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          • #6
            Yes, I know. Israel is almost doing the same thing the Palestinians are doing, except instead of murdering the people, they may just deport them.


            Just getting the basic troll out of the way.
            "Let us kill the English! Their concept of individual rights could undermine the power of our beloved tyrants!"

            ~Lisa as Jeanne d'Arc

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            • #7
              Seems like the immigration of jews from the former soviet unions seems to make an impact, Israel is starting to make stalinist laws.

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              • #8
                Debate the issue not the person .
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kropotkin
                  Seems like the immigration of jews from the former soviet unions seems to make an impact, Israel is starting to make stalinist laws.


                  Kyle: Now there is a proper troll!
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #10
                    It's going to make the Palestinians like the Israeli government that much more. How smart.
                    (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                    (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                    (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                    • #11
                      Thank you for noticing

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui




                        Kyle: Now there is a proper troll!
                        Yes, I'm still new at it.
                        "Let us kill the English! Their concept of individual rights could undermine the power of our beloved tyrants!"

                        ~Lisa as Jeanne d'Arc

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                        • #13
                          Or consider that the home were likely used to prepare and stage a crimminal attack (under many cirstances the use of property including home to further criminal acts wouold result in there being seized and forfited to the state in many jurisdictions, under a streamlined civil procedure with much less procedure that a criminal trial), and the persons expelled were entirely cogniscent and approving of the crimminal slaugher and its preperations and allowed their home to be used without protest (which in many jurisdictions would result in crimminal trial and long prsion terms for them). In the USA (and most of Europe, excepting the death penalty part) the home would likely be forfit to the state and all the adults and teenagers therin would be in jail charged as accessories and facing charges with life imprisonment or death penalty. While in most case in the USA (but not so in Europe where are more extensive duties to report crimes, crimanal prepertions, and prevent them) the is rerely a duty on a citizen to take prevent crimes, you may not allow your property toused in furtherance of such acts, and any material support for one will likely land you in the dock.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                            It's going to make the Palestinians like the Israeli government that much more. How smart.
                            Exactly what would make the Palistinians like Israel?
                            Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                            • #15
                              To treat them like human beings for one.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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