US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Victor Galis


-I find Habeas Corpus a important and serious right, of course when my life changes because of the lack of this I shall be quite unable to tell you about it.

Certainly, the reaction to Sept. 11th has had more of an impact on my life than the terrorist attack.

Wait... was Habeas Corpus simply cancelled or did you never have it?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


Serbu nel'sja kritikovat' Putina, a to KGB pojavitsya, arestuyet ego i povesit na chlene.

Sh|t happens!

Ralph,
Where have you been so long?
KGB, KGB, who cares about KGB? The KGB died with SU.

I kritikovat Putina mne nikto ne zapreshaet, chto ya i delal aktivno vo vremya ego presidentskoy kompanii, poskolku schital ego priemnikom Yeltsina. Odnako teper mne etogo delat ne pozvalyaet sovest, poskolku ya ubedilsa chto silno v nem oshibalsya.

Rossii ochen povezlo chto u nee poyavilsa nastoyashii lider, patriot svoei strany.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Well, I just signed up for Citizen Corps. I signed up the for the 'Neighborhood Watch Program' and 'Volunteers in Police Service'. Guess I'm well on my way to becoming a spy. This is the next best thing to working for the CIA!!! Yipeeeeeeee!

[Boris Godunov]

Get the feeling he would have been one of the eager Hitler Youth types, reporting his neighbors who then disappeared forever in the middle of the night...

[Lung]

Re: Australia is becomming a police state(after hearing America was already one)

Originally posted by Sprayber

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/07/16/1026802691135.html

Those damned facists Aussies.

The proposed laws are simply ressurrecting the Summary Offences Act, which was around for decades until the 80's. It has been inspired by ethnically related crime waves of rape and murder. Specifically, gangs of muslim youths have been targetting female, non-muslim teenagers and gang-raping them. Nothing heightens racist fears like hundreds of your teenage girls being subjected to rape and being called whores, presumably for being raped by them. However, great credit must go to the various muslim leaders in Australia who have denounced the rapes. Disturbingly, they have had to explain to the parents of the perpetrators that what their children had done was wrong

These laws certainly do reduce personal liberty, but not nearly to the extent that the proposed citizen spy network the US is considering. The Australian laws do not restict democratic rules of law. The proposed US law does not presume citizens to be innocent until proven guilty, as reports are not to be revealed to accusees. Furthermore, reports are to be kept on file indefinitely. It is undemocratic to place surveillance devices in homes without being notified.

What i want to know is - how is the US spy network any better than the Stasi or Hitler Youth? This is not neighbourhood watch, as your nosey neighbours cannot make accusations to the police about you without you being notified of said accusations. If the article is true, then Bush is truly paranoid

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Frogger
Call me crazy, but I thought 4% = One in twenty-five

Subversive! You dare question the Government's math??????!!!!!

I have not been thrilled with Bush's response to the terror attacks, but this is a new low. Even my wife is shaking her head.

Bush is quickly losing ground in the JohnT household...

[Dan Severn]

I overreacted.

It won't let me delete.

[faded glory]

Uhh.....this is retarded. What the **** was Bush thinking? Or was he thinking at all? This is stupid as hell. This will NEVER and I mean NEVER get past the congress. Both parties have said absolutely NOT.

Thank god for democracy

[faded glory]

Nope, nobody is going to buy this. Bush can forget it. I dont think I would want this crap either. Theres no need. We have an FBI, CIA, etc....

[faded glory]

btw the title of this thread is kinda deceptive.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Originally posted by faded glory
This will NEVER and I mean NEVER get past the congress. Both parties have said absolutely NOT.

Thank god for democracy

Fortunately, it already has. Check out the new website!

And yes, thank God for Democracy.

[TheBirdMan]

Passed or not passed the congress - it is obvious more than just an idea.

Cloud9 link takes you to an (official?) .gov site!

[RGBVideo]

The primary concerns are:
1 ) Are these 'spies' being paid?
2 ) Do they have any power?

If this system needs to have any use, both 1 and 2 need to be answered 'yes'.
Homewer, 1 would demand massive and massive amounts of money,
and 2 would create a corrupt heaven.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by MarkG
who's geting the job for all those huge and probably worthless databases?

Precisely. This is more hilarious than sinister.

I suspect its a bit like the campaigns for people to donate aluminium pots to the war effort - a morale booster but totally useless for the stated purpose.

[Victor Galis]

One can only hope, AH.