US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Lemmy

I got it from dear St Markus, and the nice thread he posted about Dutch law.

Must be disheartening to realize you live in a police state like Holland that censors your free speach, eh?

must be one of those laws that are ignored by the police, like how prostitution and soft-drugs are theoretically illegal, but most policemen have enough commen sense to realize that enforcing those laws is a waste of time.
I've never heard of a law like this btw

What is the point of having a law, if it isn't enforced?

Why do you trust anyone to determine which laws are enforced and which ones are ignored?

Why don't your politicians get rid of those laws if they don't intend them to be followed?

[Imran Siddiqui]

What is the point of having a law, if it isn't enforced?

Ask the Southern US states wrt sodomy laws.

[Chris 62]

They enforce it Spray, but he can't be a holier then thou Euro elitist if he admits it.

Marky Mark was quite upset by that whole matter in fact.

[drake]

the ones that worry me are the ones who confidently say "i'm willing to give up some of my rights to be safe."

Such as what...who said anything about giving up rights? We're talking about a few people looking out for suspicious activity.

What have the American people sacrificed since this whole ordeal started? Jack ****, thats what. We don't have the slightest conception of what real sacrifice is.

If my 5 minutes of incovenience being searched at an airprot saves a few hundred people, my inconvenience is well spent. Or are my 5 minutes too valuable to sacrifice?

[Chris 62]

Stop being reasonble Drake!

This is Apolyton for god sakes!

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

What is the point of having a law, if it isn't enforced?

Ask the Southern US states wrt sodomy laws.

Who has ever said that was a good thing Imran? He seemed quite proud of it.

[Lemmy]

What is the point of having a law, if it isn't enforced?

Why do you trust anyone to determine which laws are enforced and which ones are ignored?

Why don't your politicians get rid of those laws if they don't intend them to be followed?

there has been talk of legalizing soft drugs, but some politcians are afraid of the international consequences, there are parties who openly lobby for legalizing it, but unfortunately, they didn't get the majority of the votes, because of their other issues, not because of their stance on softdrugs. It's not that the politicians don't intend them to be followed, they have to be politically correct and be against any drug use off course. It's the police and the rest of the society that realizes that it's not evil, and impossible to stop, so why enforce?
And i'm actually not sure if prostitution is illegal.

They enforce it Spray, but he can't be a holier then thou Euro elitist if he admits it.

uhuh, i know of at least 3 places in Utrecht where they sell soft-drugs, i know they've been selling soft-drugs for 4 years now, even though i've never used it myself...if i know about it, don't you think the cops would know about it, and do something about it if they actually enforced those laws.

[Q Classic]

drake, that comment... i take it you didn't read the victor galis post right above mine.

that comment was intended more for that, than in terms of the debate as a whole.

get a grip.

as for being searched at the airport, i have no problem with that-- i just wish it worked like it's supposed to.

[Victor Galis]

Such as what...who said anything about giving up rights? We're talking about a few people looking out for suspicious activity.

-Yeah, just about 10 million or so. This is not at all fundamentally different from what the Stasi and KGB did.

[Victor Galis]

I've lost serious rights as a result of the PATRIOT Act.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Stop being reasonble Drake!

This is Apolyton for god sakes!

But we love it

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Lemmy
there are parties who openly lobby for legalizing it, but unfortunately, they didn't get the majority of the votes, because of their other issues, not because of their stance on softdrugs. It's not that the politicians don't intend them to be followed, they have to be politically correct and be against any drug use off course.

Why do they need to be pollitically correct if all the people support it? Are they that afraid that the US will invade you for making drugs legit.

It's the police and the rest of the society that realizes that it's not evil, and impossible to stop, so why enforce?

This makes your other laws meaningless. Why should anyone take your laws seriously if you don't enforce them all. Why should anyone take advice from people that enforce some of their laws and not others?

uhuh, i know of at least 3 places in Utrecht where they sell soft-drugs, i know they've been selling soft-drugs for 4 years now, even though i've never used it myself...if i know about it, don't you think the cops would know about it, and do something about it if they actually enforced those laws.

I think Chris is talking about your speech laws.

[drake]

Victor your paranoia and pessimism is quite depressing. Why must you be such a cynical angry young person?

You and Che should get together and write a book or make a movie......

What serious rights have you lost because of the patriot act? Tell me how your day to day life has changed because of it.

[Chris 62]

Spray, your fine memory strikes again, can you remember the exact case?

It seems to have escaped me for the moment.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Aren't there always some laws that are not enforced as they are meant to be? You will find many old laws that are technically still in place but they are not enforced anymore.