Bigotry in Islam - And Here.

[Az]

thanks for the valuable input .

[Al'Kimiya]

How come (nearly?) only poor and uneducated people convert to islam?

I predict a divided world, with a working "slave"-class consisting of mainly moslems and a ruling class of western/non-moslem asiatic people.

[Ecthy]

I aim to please, Dal. Now why are you using a pic of Boris Y as an avatar icon?

Are you also fat and constantly drunk?

[Az]

wait a sec... .yes !

[Imran Siddiqui]

Imran , your theory is not realistic. The enviroments, and the technological evolution stages are rather different, to say the least. I clearly see the secularisation in Europe a part of the exploration of the new world, and the printing press. Your analisys doesn't take all those endless criteria into account.

It doesn't have to take that into account. The secularisation of Europe would have happened even with out the exploration of the New World and in fact was happening before it. Check out the Hussite revolts. Luther's ideals weren't based on discoveries though the printing press did help to get his ideas out to many people. The same basic pattern fits. I see this same pattern for Islam, of openness at the beginning, to totalitarian thinking in the middle (ie, now), to secularism and openness in the end.

The Church didn't fall because of the printing press and discoveries in the New World. The Church fell because it was alienating the people with its old rules and ideas. Because of its corruptness and idiocy, and many Muslims are also becoming disenchanted with radicals. The only problem is the West is stoking up these fires by seeming making Islam the enemy, allowing the fundamentals to rally around the religion. But soon, it too will become fringed.

[Az]

Al'Kimiya: that will never happen . A war between US+Russia and a few Islamic countries is possible. Remember , we're playing with nukes here.

[Az]

when exactly was the church enlighted ?

[Imran Siddiqui]

When Thomas Aquinus gave it a shot in the arm. However, it wasn't enlightened during the age of Luther, the undoing of it.

[Ecthy]

lol, it never was

[Al'Kimiya]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
Al'Kimiya: that will never happen . A war between US+Russia and a few Islamic countries is possible. Remember , we're playing with nukes here.

I wasn't talking about war. I meant large parts of the third world will become moslem, meaning more moslem refugees to western countries, meaning larger percent moslem populations in these countries. The integration policies in the west doesn't work very well, thus the refugee imigrants become lower "class" and if they get any jobs it probably won't be very good jobs...

Isn't this the situation in Israel today. Arabs from the poor territories having poorly paid jobs in Israel proper. Well.. at least up until a few weeks ago. This situation could spread to the entire west.

Edit - moslem refugees that is..

[JohnIII]

Yes! And all the Asians who came to Britain ended up in the lower classes. Apart from all the doctors, and succesful businessmen...

[Al'Kimiya]

Originally posted by JohnIII
Yes! And all the Asians who came to Britain ended up in the lower classes. Apart from all the doctors, and succesful businessmen...

But the non-moslem Asians haven't islamic traditions "preventing" them from becoming successful. So in the not so distant future, the lower classes will be mostly moslem. Perhaps even poor Asians converting in the dark alleys of London.

Like say the caste-less hindus converting to Islam in India. "At least it's better than this..."

[JohnIII]

Muhammed Al Fayed is hardly unsuccessful now, is he?

From a Datamonitor report last year: 'Britain may have well over 5000 Muslim millionaires with liquid assets of more than £3.6bn. Their wealth will make them among the most sought after customers by Britain's financial services sector…the market for Islamic* finance in the UK is set to grow hugely.'
* According to the Sharia?

It's funny, because if you were talking about Jews that way, you'd have about fifty responses calling you a Jew-hater and an anti-semite, quite rightly.

[Al'Kimiya]

Originally posted by JohnIII
Muhammed Al Fayed is hardly unsuccessful now, is he?

Well, has he converted to islam lately?
The point is that the poor and uneducated convert, and they would most likely remain poor and uneducated.

It's funny, because if you were talking about Jews that way, you'd have about fifty responses calling you a Jew-hater and an anti-semite, quite rightly.

Well jews are famous for their financial skills, aren't they?

[Imran Siddiqui]

lol, it never was

Actually during the time of Aquinas and before that Ambrose, Church leaders were some of the most enlightened people out there. Check out Erasmus' writing.