Bigotry in Islam - And Here.

[Bereta_Eder]

young women in military regime tukey have to go through virtginity test to reamin in school

so dont tell me about turkey

i have turkish friends


the husband of onbe of my best freinds is turkish

so please

[Az]

I am sure it would get much better if the Islamists went to power . Remember , the lesser of two evils.

[Ecthy]

You have Turkish friends? Last time I checked you hate them.

Besides, you should better keep your body hair down before you talk about others keeping their women down.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I remember your origins are Pakistani and you were a Muslim back in the old days - I take your comment as an indicator you've changed your faith since then?

You've been away for a while haven't you?

They can and they should be. I'm simply pointing out that when it comes to religious loonies, I'd much rather have Christians than Muslims, because whether you admit it or not, the Koran preaches politics to a large degree whereas Jesus didn't.

Maybe so, but also remember where Islam is time-wise. It is around 1400 years of the religion. Where was Christianity then? Wasn't the state controlled by the religion. Weren't Popes the most powerful people in Europe, which could tell Kings what to do? Weren't women 2nd class citizens?

Give Islam some time. It is active and growing, which means you have fanatics.

well , if they don't believe in the keeping down of women , they're not real believing muslims , heh ?

Not so. Muhammed himself said that men should have their wives be their equals. He preached a LOT against the lowering of Arab women. Unfortunetly a religon can't totally uproot centuries of a certain practice (ie, making women less then men). If you look at Muslims in other areas, like, say... Pakistan. Women don't have to be covered from head to toe. Most of them wear head scarves, but that is because it is so bleeding hot there!! Hell, they even elected a woman Prime Minister!

[Bereta_Eder]

ecthelinaki you can fook off

dal, i lready said that military regime is better than the islamists for the people turkey

how many times do i have to repeat it?


that said dont think their culture is not islamist and very oppresive

[Ecthy]

why are Islamists lesser of two evils? you mean in Turkey? that's possible, but why are they better than military leaders?

[Ecthy]

BTW, they do elections in Turkey

[Az]

well, if they come out wrong, they do them again, and again, until they come out right, Ecthelion.


Imran : This time scale is real weird. In your theory , there is some kind of a fixed time , an evolutionary time table of the devolopement of religion. If so , do you mean that by 2500 , we'll have an open muslim society?

[Bereta_Eder]

a nazi like yourself shouldnt care ecthelinaki

[Imran Siddiqui]

Dal: Yes, by 2500, I think we will have an open Muslim society. It is kind of interesting, there does seem to be an evolutionary scale of religions. A bright shining, and then lots of debate and discussion and openness, followed by repression and one voice... which leads to disenchantment and breaking off and more secularism. It is an interesting pattern, and it is being played out in Islam as well.

[Az]

people , let's keep the level ... well , not too low.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Dal: It's like History repeating itself, which is very often does. I see the same for Islam. Interestingly though, there is a Western undercurrent, which is trying to make the change come faster. It should be interesting to see what gains it makes.

[JohnIII]

Monk, just because the Qu'ran is the literal word of god does not mean that the meaning isn't interpreted differently by different people. You seem to be assuming that:
a) it's easy to understand,
b) all Muslims understand it,
c) all Muslims interpret it the same way,
d) that Islam should be exempt from nutjobs because its holy book is supposed to be the words of god. The 10 Commandments are also supposed to be the words of god, and yet many Christians disobey at least one of them.

[Az]

Imran , your theory is not realistic. The enviroments, and the technological evolution stages are rather different, to say the least. I clearly see the secularisation in Europe a part of the exploration of the new world, and the printing press. Your analisys doesn't take all those endless criteria into account.

[Ecthy]

Dal, your level is not high enough for me... could you.. yeah... maybe a little more... yeah, yeah... yes, that's it.

Thanks