A note of thanks to the USA from one of the more grateful Europeans.

[Saint Marcus]

Anyway, why isn't the USA grateful for the French, who helped the US gain it's independence in the first place. Without France, this wouldn't have happened.

[Sandman]

You'll have to forgive us for not wanting to jump feet first into another senseless, preventable European war.

Why? The USA thrives on European wars.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Anyway, why isn't the USA grateful for the French, who helped the US gain it's independence in the first place. Without France, this wouldn't have happened.

We were, up until the French became obnoxiously ungrateful to the U.S.A. following WWII. If they can't be grateful, why should we?

[Saint Marcus]

So your reply is:

They started!!


Once again it shows that two wrongs make a right in the USA.


If you want Europe to be grateful for what you did, show us some gratitude too. And especcially the French.

[Boris Godunov]

So, how about we stop our $billions in aid? That's not gratitude enough?

We rebuilt Europe after Europe tore itself apart. I think the balance is mightily in our favor for the past century.

[Dauphin]

Americans of the 1940s and 50s did.

I am grateful that America helped Europe and the world but I see no reason to be grateful to the average American today, especially the obnoxious teenager who shouts "We saved yer asses" when the closest they came to doing so was watching Saving Private Ryan.

[Saint Marcus]

We rebuilt Europe after Europe tore itself apart.

In your interest. It isn't because you wanted to help us (Britain recieved far less than Germany, relative to the damage caused by the war), but because you feared Communism would spread.

[moomin]

Most Europeans, if not necessarily most of the Europeans who post here, are quite aware of what the US accomplished for Europe last century; it's stalwart defense of European democracy in WWII, the Marshall Aid, and not least the Cold War, during which America, and America alone, prevented the other half of this continent from falling into Soviet hands.

And most of us appreciate that. A lot. Really.

However, it's a sad fact of life that it isn't easy being grateful. The US is not the first benefactor in history to find out that graditude generates resentment. We've all experienced it on a personal level, right? Add to that the envy American superiority in every field - be it industry, science, culture or pure unadulterated might - generates and you get a lot of the kind of childish whining 'bout America we see so much of on these boards. That, of course, does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of Europeans know, and know it well, what we owe the Americans for a service well beyond the line of duty.

Or knew. I'll be darned if I know whether the nanosecond attension span generation will even consider Bosnia before yelling "but what have you done for us lately"? That, however, is a problem you share with us, innit?

Let me just conclude on this day, the fourth of July, that you can rest assured that depite all the crud you hear from the rants and trolls here the vast majority of Europeans would happily join me in expressing their best wishes to the American people, who have done such peerless services to democracy in the past and who stand again at the forefront of the battle against the latest form of fascism to win popular support in the world.

As for me personally, I hope to see Pax Americana - and all that it entails - last well beyond my lifespan.

"This is downtown Judy Brown. God bless in America, and in Europe too!"

[Rogan Josh]

Re: Didn't take long for the ingrates to show, did it?

Originally posted by Chris 62
Leave history to historians rogan, because you obviously don't know jack about it

Leave thinking to the snae people Chris, because its not your forte.

I'm not talking "US Flag waving" here.

Aren't you the one who just posted this?

http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnweakle/USA1777.jpg

Not so long as Churchill was PM

Don't get me started on that traitor.

I'll put this country's history up vs Britain's any day, and you will lose.
In a landslide.

You see, that is the whole problem with you types - you are always trying to 'win'. Life isn't all about 'winning' you know.

You not only want America to take credit for winning the war, you want to take personal credit for something which happened before you were born!

I don't feel guilty about Britain's imperial past because I wasn't a part of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but how many big terror attacks have there been since 9/11?
ZERO is the answer.

Something tells me you only count terror attacks in the US. Don't you think the rest of the world is worth anything, or is any amount of US originating terror OK to inflict on other peoples as long as it keeps your beer cool of the 4th of July?

Your probaly the only guy that could manage to annoy me today, I knew you wouldn't fail.

Happy to please - I feel like my day has been worth while now

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Jaakko
Ahhh, nothing like a US-Euro bar fight to cheer up a 4th of July!

Go get 'em lads!

ROFL it's the Apolyton way to celevrate July 4th


Happy 4th of July !!

/me marks next year's March 25th to ask for everyone to thank the Greeks for the Western civilization

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Anyway, why isn't the USA grateful for the French, who helped the US gain it's independence in the first place. Without France, this wouldn't have happened.

Naked oppurtunism. Fortunately, we learned well from Europe's "Kick an emeny while he's down"
Those british troops at Yorktown would of been evacuated, and sent where? To Re-Invade? Despite the fact we threw back 2 other Invasions? The contintenal army was getting larger and more capable each year.


But thanks france anyway! We repaid you twice.

[faded glory]

All I have to say is, thank God Europe is no longer responsible for us. 300 years of wars, enslavement, Imperialism, and foriegn monopolies.

[Paul Hanson]

I lilke the way that people are going "Europe ought to be grateful, because we saved your arse in WW2", and "Well, America ought to be grateful to France for their help during the War of Independence", and all this ****.

Sit back for a minute and think. How many of you here were involved in either of those? Not a single bloody one of you. Stop leeching off the success of others and using it to fuel your own allusions of grandeur

Besides, I've heard some of the Americans say that they don't care what Europeans think. Fair enough: sometimes I sympathise with you. But if this is the case, then why do you care whether we're grateful to you or not?

Just a question.

[Saint Marcus]

But thanks france anyway! We repaid you twice.

In WW1 American help was merely usefull, not crucial.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Anyway, why isn't the USA grateful for the French, who helped the US gain it's independence in the first place. Without France, this wouldn't have happened.

we are.

what did we say during the world wars when he aided the french? "Lafayette[sp?], we are here".

We're even as far as i can tell.