Communists. Enlighten me.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Sixchan
Well, I'm a fascist (*brings out riot shield*) and Stalinism is the closest version of Communism to Fascism.

Yeah, you got that right...

[Jon Miller]

I am none of those main three

Diffrences in different movements deal with what the end goal is as well as the method of going there

Jon Miller

[Az]

as I've already said it to Sixchan, as long as one's being 'utilitarian' about the way for perfect society , I have no problem with it . However ,if he's getting any power , I'll be the guy with the sniper rifle, assassinating you, Sixchan .

[Richelieu]

Originally posted by Stefu
It would seem to me that main differences between different communist factions is how to get in the end point.

Considering that none of their approaches seem to be working in United States, this disagreement seems to be self-defeating.

I don't think that any type of leftist ideology will have any success in the US. At least not for some time, and not if you look at the childish way it's being looked upon by a large segment of the population over there.

[Az]

and Jon Miller is right.

I think I am somewhere between reformed communist and democratic socialist, in your list.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Solidarity is a mixed success at best. On the one hand their members do some great stuff, but the organization as a whole is pretty much crud. There is a kernal of hard core working class revolutionaries inthat organization, and lot of people riding on their laurels from the 60s. Grrrrrrr! And they expelled me for non-payment of dues while I was unemployed!

Dude, that sucks...

[Az]

wow. It's rather weird, thinking that the commies in the US are the only one pushing real economic agenda, unlike the euros and the guys here in Israel.

[Ned]

Which brand of Communism would wholeheartedly support the amendments to the US constitution and/or ban capital punishment?

[Az]

since I am not familiar with the former , I cannot answer .

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Which brand of Communism would wholeheartedly support the amendments to the US constitution and/or ban capital punishment?

You will have to be more specific.

[Ned]

I was thinking about the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendments in particular.

Here they are

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[Sixchan]

I can be convinced the other way, but considering that I was once an Idealistic Communist with all the 'freedom to the masses', 'nothing to lose but your chains' and such, and also ferociously Anti-American that it took a VERY good argument and lots of personal experience to change me, and to change me back, though not impossible, would be difficult because I see what was wrong with my viewpoint back then.

Ever read Plato's book, 'The Republic'? The Fascism I want is something quite similar, and have coined the term 'Sunetocracy' (meaning Intelligent Power). If you want, I could dig up my social system proposal, but if not, I don't want to bore you.

[Shi Huangdi]

I can help you Stefu!


Different forms of communism:

Marxism = EVIL

Leninism = EVIL

Stalinism = EVIL

Trotskyism = EVIL

Maoism = EVIL

Taistoism = EVIL

Liberation Theology = EVIL

Nazism(actually a form of communism because it's national socialism) = EVIL


As you can see, all forms of communism are basically the same.

[Provost Harrison]

Oh it's Shi Huangdi and his highly balanced arguments Been sucking on Dubyas propaganda nipple again have you?

[Stefu]

Shi, I tend to agree, except on part where Nazism is Communism. Nazism was an ideology mainly based on racism, nationalism and expansionism, with economic policies being what Hitler saw as beneficial (I remember seeing a Hitler quote saying that if socialism worked best, they'd use socialism, and if capitalism worked best, they'd use capitalism) to Germany Nazi party, especially as to how to keep it in power.