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  • #61
    Because if you're on the ground, there's a chance you'll get seriously hurt. Stay standing, with him at your feet, and he's got nothing. Kick him, run like hell, it's up to you.

    Plus, if he's got a friend, I'd rather not be lying on my back...

    I would never, ever, ever, go down onto my knees to do a leg takedown with some big ****er standing over me; he might just decide to give the back of your head a nice big swat.
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    • #62
      Describe the choking hold of your choice
      My favorite choke by far is the guillotine choke, which involves putting someone in a jiujitsu guard and choking them out. It is pretty tough to explain it further, so I guess use your imagination
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      • #63
        Because if you're on the ground, there's a chance you'll get seriously hurt. Stay standing, with him at your feet, and he's got nothing. Kick him, run like hell, it's up to you.
        If you're both on the ground, and you know what you're doing, chances of getting hurt are actually less than in a standup situation, in my opinion.

        Plus, if he's got a friend, I'd rather not be lying on my back...
        Very good point, but you shouldn't be lying on your back following a takedown.

        I would never, ever, ever, go down onto my knees to do a leg takedown with some big ****er standing over me; he might just decide to give the back of your head a nice big swat.
        That is my big objection, although I worry more about an experienced fighter falling into a guard and choking ME out from his back.
        To be completely fair, you don't have to go to both, or necessarily even one, knee for a leg takedown.
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        • #64
          You don't have to, but trust me, you need to be He-man to do it otherwise...

          You give them much more time to react when you shoot the legs. If he doesn't have his guard out from his body, a hp toss is over in no time flat. Try it on anybody without experience...
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          • #65
            Tickle attacker

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            • #66
              You don't have to, but trust me, you need to be He-man to do it otherwise...
              Not necessarily. I agree that leg takedowns are much more difficult, though, unless you know exactly how to do them.

              You give them much more time to react when you shoot the legs.
              Yes, that is very true, and that can cost you. If you are good enough with leg takedowns, it isn't a problem, but I personally don't like taking that chance.

              If he doesn't have his guard out from his body, a hp toss is over in no time flat. Try it on anybody without experience...
              Definitely, I know what you mean.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Juggernaut
                Tickle attacker
                You're a sadist.
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                • #68
                  1. Get my hands around attacker's thumb and twist outwards. Once my neck is free, I abruptly jerk my torso upwards to free his lock as much as I can, then bend down to grab his leg from in front. Then I can just sit down backwards and bring him to the floor or elbow to the lower ribcage, where the ribs are most fragile.

                  2. This depends on whether the opponent's arms are rigid. If they are, bring both of my hands across from the right, over his right arm, then underneath the left arm. (Rather like pleating.) This must be done near the elbows. Then, lever his arms over to the right. Either way, this will force at least one of his hands to release his grip, or force his arms to slacken, at which point...

                  If they are slack, do a forward rolling action with both forearms horizontally - one goes down on the elbows to bend them further, the other comes up underneath his wrists. Apply pressure, pulling forward arm back and down, pushing back arm up and forwards. If necessary, engage feet - if I'm wearing shoes, I'll scrape my instep down along his shins. If not, I'll step forwards and try to step down on his kneecap, or cowkick his kneecap.

                  I'm not very good at kneelifts, so I tend not to go for the groin. Last time I tried kneelifting my housemate Bing, he countered with a cowkick and scraped a good length of skin off my shinbone. Kicks are also something I don't think are really worth it, unless they're kept quite low (say, knee height and below). Bing tried kicking a Beijing policeman last March and the guy just caught his leg and fractured his elbow on the ground.
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                  • #69
                    There are some problems with falling down with the attacker. First of all you give your back to him and he is still in dominating position IF he is verstaile fighter. On the other hand it might break the situation if he doesn't really know what he's doing.. and if he knows, falling back might the the only option for you to do. That's why i recommended turning your body which can be done quite easily the way i explained, because from there on you're on the top in his guard (if he knows how to protect himself). If you don't know how to grapple, just place your face near to his chest so he can't hit you with power. It's kind of gay position, but you won't be thinking about it at that point .

                    Yes, and keeping your chin on your chest is good, then attacker can't choke you so easy. It's the same if you're toe to toe with the attacker. Shoot in his waist and take him down. Bar style if you will. From there you must be quick and determined and take it to ground and pound.
                    I divide defending yourself into 3 categories, toe to toe, takedowns and grappling, if you know all, you shouldn't have any problems with a-holes. If you're smaller than the attacker, you might want to take it to grappling match. Diminishes the meaning of weight. If you're afraid of being punched in the face, take it to ground. If you can't do grappling well, just remember don't give your back at any cost, keep your chin to your chest, gauge eyes, punch with all you can and headbutt a lot. if you don't want to get hit, get your head to his chest or back, he is not able to hit you hard. That's about it.

                    But remember if you have to go that far, there are serious risks about it ending sadly. If you hit someone who's on the floor, his head will bounce on the floor like a soccer ball. Dangerous.
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                    • #70
                      Because if you're on the ground, there's a chance you'll get seriously hurt. Stay standing, with him at your feet, and he's got nothing. Kick him, run like hell, it's up to you.
                      In nearly every case (i.e. unless this guy is weak/small)I'd rather be down with my opponent than standing up with him. It amplifies any advantages of technique in the fight.

                      That is true, but single/double leg takedowns are risky, as well, in that if your opponent picks up on the takedown, they can sprawl on top of you, or, more seriously, knee you in the face on the way down. Also, they can drop elbows and, if you're not careful, catch you in a guillotine choke.
                      That's true. But if this guy is able to do any of that, pulling off a hip toss doesn't seem guaranteed.

                      Standing takedowns, whether a throw, sweep, or body takedown, are much safer, in that you don't generally expose your head to attack
                      It's easier to maintain control over your attacker after a leg takedown than a standing takedown.

                      Plus, if he's got a friend, I'd rather not be lying on my back...
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                      • #71
                        Leg takedowns are good if you know how to do them and attacker is not maybe that good. Of course you need to distract first like punch in the face (doesn't have to land) and at the same time your going for it.
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                        • #72
                          My best advise is, run when ever you can . If he surprises you, scream 'RAaaapeeee!' and then run. Or start some freestyle fighting as a new hobby.
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                          • #73
                            Or just look menacing to begin with. It's usually worked for me...
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                            • #74
                              Re: How would you handle this?

                              Originally posted by Urban Ranger

                              1. You are grabbed from behind. The attacker puts you in a choking hold.
                              Elbow to the ribs then try and break the hold. Stamp on their foot if I can see it.



                              2. Somebody chokes you with both hands from the front.
                              Kick them in the balls or shins.
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                              • #75
                                Break his pinkies. No man, no matter how strong, has pinkies stronger than your forearms. And after they are broken, he will be in too much pain to put up too much of a fight.
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