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They do already. What difference does admitting it make?
Well, at lot. It basically means the government accepts that a private company would be better in educating our kids than the government.
Which, btw, I'm not opposed to, just wondered if you were .
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No, the SAT I does not set the curriculum, at least at my school. In my school we learned subjects either then English and Math. We also studied English and Math above the level they are put on the SAT. So the SAT I does not determine the student's curriculum. It is even possible if students did not like the SAT for them to avoid it altogether and take the ACT. Moreover, it is not the job of the college board to be setting the curriculum in this country.
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Imran, you make a very elementary mistake of linking the SAT to HS acheivement. That is not what it is. The NY state HS tests (can't remember the name) are HS acheivement tests.
SAT is more of an aptitude test than an acheivement test. The important thing about it is its predictive power. How well you do in college correlates with how well you do on the test. It measures brains as well as (arguably more than) experience.
Ramo, the SAT has had little affect on my school's cirriculum. We've barely even touched on SAT related things.
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And how important is an applicant's SAT score to you in hiring an applicant? What about college grades?
Very useful in deciding what applicants to interview. About equal with college grades (for college grads).* For more experienced hires, resume is also important.
After applicants enter the interviewing process, almost all of the decision is based on case performance. (Grades, resume, scores no longer considered.)
*With the proviso that you look at what major they had. A 3.5 in EE is more impressive than a 3.5 in Poly Sci. Of course if somebody has a 4.0 or near in and "easy" major, you can't really slam since some top students just take what they enjoy...but you will check them a little tougher in interviews to see what they're made of.
I might add that the customers for this are not the students, even though they are the ones paying the testing fees. Rather, it is the universities, who dictate what is asked.
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Very useful in deciding what applicants to interview. About equal with college grades (for college grads).* For more experienced hires, resume is also important.
After applicants enter the interviewing process, almost all of the decision is based on case performance. (Grades, resume, scores no longer considered.)
*With the proviso that you look at what major they had. A 3.5 in EE is more impressive than a 3.5 in Poly Sci. Of course if somebody has a 4.0 or near in and "easy" major, you can't really slam since some top students just take what they enjoy...but you will check them a little tougher in interviews to see what they're made of.
What about double majors, GP? Say Imran were to apply for a job with you, would his poli sci/econ double major help him get selected for an interview?
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The addition of econ would make him stronger. (It's not a digital thing either. If you are a genius who just happens to love poly sci...you would still get an interview.)
It basically means the government accepts that a private company would be better in educating our kids than the government.
How so?
So the SAT I does not determine the student's curriculum.
It doesn't determine the curriculum, but significantly affects it. Part of high school is preparing students for college, and a significant part of that is preparing them to do well on the SATs. Do you seriously believe school and teacher curriculums won't change due to this change in the SAT?
Of course, statewide standardized tests generally have much more significant effects than the SATs.
We also studied English and Math above the level they are put on the SAT.
Unfortunately, that's not the norm. Most people don't far past taking geometry by their junior year.
Moreover, it is not the job of the college board to be setting the curriculum in this country.
What's your point?
There is no widely-used public federal standardized test achievement/apptitude test. And pressuring College Board into changing the SATs would be a helluva lot easier than pressuring state gov't's into changing their tests.
We could either take advantage of the fact that the college board affects school curriculums and teacher agendas or pretend it doesn't have any impact whatsoever.
We've barely even touched on SAT related things.
I find that very hard to believe.
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Provinces here do standardized finals for 12th grade subjects. Univerisities then look at those diploma exam marks (what they're called) specifically at each subject at hand (bio, chem, physics, math, english, social studies, etc).
Our English and Social Studies exams both required essays on top of multiple choice exams. But we're allowed to type them on the computers. They go around and install special versions of Office with the spellchecker/grammarchecker disabled, among other things, and let us type it up and submit it electronically and on paper. That's what I did.
The exams are all grouped together and sent to one central location where teachers all meet to mark them. Each student is assigned a special number for the tests that the teachers don't know, so it's anonymous. And 3 teachers mark the test, the average is taken. If you're not happy with the mark you and get it remarked for a fee.
Beats the hell out of the SAT.
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