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Originally posted by orange
paitkis - see you in hell! (and I mean that in the best possible way!!
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paitkis - see you in hell! (and I mean that in the best possible way!!
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This is the price for sin.
So I'm being punished for the sins of my ancestors from 6,000 years ago? If God considers this "fair," then I want nothing to do with his warped conception of fairness.<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures
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I will discuss this later, if you remind meOriginally posted by Cloud9
Well, why so?
I do not feel like serious discussion right now
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GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.Comment
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even though I must say that many (or most) seem to have points of view which I disagree with
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This is called original sin that everyone is born into.Originally posted by loinburger
This is the price for sin.
So I'm being punished for the sins of my ancestors from 6,000 years ago? If God considers this "fair," then I want nothing to do with his warped conception of fairness.HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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That's the great thing about religion, everyone in the world disagrees about it. When it gets to that point you gotta wonder how valid something is when everyone thinks about it differently."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "Comment
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This is called original sin that everyone is born into.
Giving it a name does not change the fact that it is grossly unjust.<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures </p>Comment
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If Christianity is to be true, then it must also be true that God is responsible for evil.
1)God is omniscient.
2)God knows everything that will happen before it occurs (or if you will, "outside" of when it occurs if God exist in the center or outside of time).
3)God knew that terrorists would blow up the World Trade Center on September 11th 2001.
4)God, even though he knew this, did not stop the event from occuring.
So, we have a problem. Either
A)God is actually neither good nor evil, and simply god.
B)God might be good but not all knowing, and thus was unable to stop the terrorists.
Obvious problems that this presents to free-will barred, do you see the problem with saying that man creates evil? If god truly knows everything before it happens, it is obvious that it is HIS WILL that evil occur.Comment
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Things must happen in a certain way for the end of the world (Apocalypse) to come about.Originally posted by CygnusZ
If Christianity is to be true, then it must also be true that God is responsible for evil.
1)God is omniscient.
2)God knows everything that will happen before it occurs (or if you will, "outside" of when it occurs if God exist in the center or outside of time).
3)God knew that terrorists would blow up the World Trade Center on September 11th 2001.
4)God, even though he knew this, did not stop the event from occuring.
So, we have a problem. Either
A)God is actually neither good nor evil, and simply god.
B)God might be good but not all knowing, and thus was unable to stop the terrorists.
Obvious problems that this presents to free-will barred, do you see the problem with saying that man creates evil? If god truly knows everything before it happens, it is obvious that it is HIS WILL that evil occur.HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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Loinburger, I'm researching this. . .Originally posted by loinburger
This is called original sin that everyone is born into.
Giving it a name does not change the fact that it is grossly unjust.HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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If Christianity is to be true, then it must also be true that God is responsible for evil.
The problem of evil is not so problematic. It is possible that God chooses to abide by the same system of logic as we do (for whatever reason), and thus that he has limited his own omnipotence. It is also possible that there are certain forms of evil that cannot be eliminated without creating an even worse form of evil, or without also eliminating a necessary form of good. Besides, I've never had anybody explain why God is necessarily omni-benevolent, so the problem of evil is moot in either case without a satisfactory explanation as to why God must always behave in a benevolent manner.<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures </p>Comment
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Then you accept my arguement?! You do realize acceptance of my argument is to reject christianity.
Either now you have a God who doesn't know everything or a God who isn't all powerful, or potentially a God who isn't good.
In addition, if God still knows everything that means by default that you have no free will.Comment
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I'm not saying you can't reconcile God without him being good. Just that if you take out the goodness from God you can't have christianity.Comment
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-That doctrine is clearly unconstitutionalThis is called original sin that everyone is born into.
"The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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Then you accept my arguement?! You do realize acceptance of my argument is to reject christianity.
Why does Christianity require an omnibenevolent God?
Either now you have a God who doesn't know everything or a God who isn't all powerful, or potentially a God who isn't good.
Like I said, God might limit his own powers for some reason (e.g. he might abide by the rules of logic in order to test us or whatever have you). Furthermore, God might be good, but might create some forms of evil in order to abide by the logic that he has willfully tethered himself to--perhaps it is only possible, when tethered by logic, to create good if one also creates evil. Perhaps he creates evil in order to test humans, or whatever have you. I still fail to see why the existence of evil is so problematic.
In addition, if God still knows everything that means by default that you have no free will.
There are some Christian sects that believe this to be the case, so apparently the lack of free will is not antithetical to Christianity.<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures </p>Comment
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