Good atheists go to heaven. Bad Christians do not.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cloud9
I haven't met him, but I will someday. I do KNOW him, however.

You're starting to sound a lot like the Heaven's Gate people, and it's almost scary.

But then I realized that most people in America think like you.

And at that point I'm scrambling to acquire a bunker in the middle of nowhere.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Cloud9
Now if only I had a Bible with an index that could point me to some scriptures where it talks about disabilities. Anyone up for it?

Some religions don't allow for disabilities as a way out though

[Ming]

Originally posted by Asher
But then I realized that most people in America think like you.

Another baseless assumption on your part. Most people in America do not think like that... THANK GOD

[Asher]

Originally posted by Apocalypse
There is a huge amount of evidence he existed, including my reports by Romans around that time. There just isn't reliable evidence that he did anything mericulous.

Makes me wonder if, thousands of years for now after the apocalypse, people will dig up artifacts and scriptures talking about an almighty leader of the people, George W. Bush, who really did exist. He's the leader, or God if you will, and people will worship him for thousands of years. He did exist!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ming
Another baseless assumption on your part. Most people in America do not think like that... THANK GOD

Saw a poll on CNN today, and 52% of Americans polled have a problem with an Atheist President.

That compares to 48% having a problem with a homosexual president, and 8% having a problem with a female president. 5% had a problem with a black president.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Apocalypse

Just because someone loved something in the past does not make up for not be able to love in the present. I myself have not loved anything or anyone for years. I want to, but I am unable to for reasons beyond my control.

I do not love easily and for a long time thought I did not love at all and was incapable of it. How do you know that you do not love and are incapable of it. When I thought so I spent a large number of months testing and finding if there was anyway in which I could be said to love (you might need to broden you definitions). After a long time I determined that there was something there.

I now know that I am capable of it but would still not say that I am a very loving person.

I would suggest trying to love and it will grow on you (and I need to practise what I preach).

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

BTW this thread is moving so fast that I am not responding to everyone

if I do not respond to you and you wish me to PM me and I will respond at a later date

Jon Milller

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


But is there any evidence that he did not exist??

And there is evidence of his existence, the Bible.

Jon Miller

The most important piece of evidence of God's existence is how perfect the world is. Not perfect in the sense that everything is just right, but perfect in the sense that it couldn't have just happened. Our bodies, for instance, are so complex, that the odds of them just evolving over a long period time is like 1 in centillion (680 zeros). Some people just don't understand how complex the world, or should I say the universe, really is.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Apocalypse

There is a huge amount of evidence he existed, including my reports by Romans around that time. There just isn't reliable evidence that he did anything mericulous.

Cite a source?

The only evidence I am aware of is New Testament scripture, all of which was written at least 30 years after his death or more. There is, to the best of my knowledge, nothing contemporary to his life that supports he existed. There were no Roman records of his crucifixion, which is very odd, considering how good Roman record-keeping was on such matters.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Apocalypse

There is a huge amount of evidence he existed, including many reports by Romans around that time. There just isn't reliable evidence that he did anything mericulous.

Of course not. In our scientific age that is a point of faith.

Jon Miller

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Asher
Makes me wonder if, thousands of years for now after the apocalypse, people will dig up artifacts and scriptures talking about an almighty leader of the people, George W. Bush, who really did exist. He's the leader, or God if you will, and people will worship him for thousands of years. He did exist!

After the Apocalypse? I'll always be around.

Anyay, that should be "many reports," I mispelled. "My reports" sounds like I forged them. No one must no about that.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Asher

Saw a poll on CNN today, and 52% of Americans polled have a problem with an Atheist President.

But that doesn't prove that "most" Americans believe like he does It just proves that a small majority of Americans would have a problem with a president that doesn't believe in god...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cloud9
The most important piece of evidence of God's existence is how perfect the world is.

Somebody needs to add this to the random quotations we get after posting. Truly a classic.

Not perfect in the sense that everything is just right, but perfect in the sense that it couldn't have just happened. Our bodies, for instance, are so complex, that the odds of them just evolving over a long period time is like 1 in centillion (680 zeros). Some people just don't understand how complex the world, or should I say the universe, really is.

You would honestly believe it's even MORE likely to have the creation of a God creature which has the CAPACITY to create worlds?

That's such a lame short-sighted way of viewing everything. It doesn't even make sense once you look at the whole scope of it, not just the stuff you want to look at...

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Cite a source?

The only evidence I am aware of is New Testament scripture, all of which was written at least 30 years after his death or more. There is, to the best of my knowledge, nothing contemporary to his life that supports he existed. There were no Roman records of his crucifixion, which is very odd, considering how good Roman record-keeping was on such matters.

30 years afterwards is amazingly early to make up someone totally ficticious who did all the things that Jesus was described as doing.

I think it is safe to say (from a sceintific standing) that there is a basis for the stories of Christ (I would agree that there is no sceintific evidence for His miracles though)

Jon Miller

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Asher

Somebody needs to add this to the random quotations we get after posting. Truly a classic.


You would honestly believe it's even MORE likely to have the creation of a God creature which has the CAPACITY to create worlds?

That's such a lame short-sighted way of viewing everything. It doesn't even make sense once you look at the whole scope of it, not just the stuff you want to look at...

And which do you want to believe, Asher? It all depends on your perspective.