Supreme Court Rules Vouchers to Be Constitutional!

[faded glory]

Sure Im not doing anything today. Nobodies here. Im sitting on my ass eating grahm crackers and browsing ACS. I could play till about 7:00. Then my girlfiend and I will go to the gym to workout.

3 hours is long enough . Email me when you are ready. (changed email addy, new one is on sig.)

[TCO]

Choice is very much needed. More money to the educational weenies will just lead to more sillyness like open classrooms and whole language, etc. Public schools need a kick in the ass. If they lose the good students who cares? They can just consolidate and be the educator of last resort.

[KrazyHorse]

And? Is there a problem of giving choice within public system? Send your kid to whatever school you want. Make funding dependent on number of students attending. Mandate basic curriculum (what needs to be passed on tests), but let schools choose teaching style/order/methodology. If admins want to keep their job they'll attract students.

Following market ideology for schools will just lead to disaster for those who can't afford it...

[TCO]

Those people are already in disasterous schools...

[faded glory]

teachers unions dont wont this, public schools dont want it. why? less money for them. Its a damn monopoly now anyways. Break it up. The schools are ****holes now, not because of lack of funding. But because of poor allocation of it. Adding new buildings yet neglecting aging books that still show 2 germanys.

My dad grew up in a school with 500 kids in 8 rooms. Hardly any money for the teachers and even less for shiny buildings. Why is it people cant do that now?

If private schools have better results, then so what. Its about the kids not about teachers unions and such

[Boris Godunov]

GP, so only the poor kids get screwed with the educator of last resort? Terrific.

[Victor Galis]

Anyone who pays taxes should have the right to use a credit to send there kid to a better school.

-That's like saying that anyone who pays money to the government should have a right to get it back because they're not happy with what it's being spent on... that's not a can of worms you want to open.

The public school is a mess.

-Yes and no.

Ya you can fix it, but I think people are to pre-occupied trying to fix the school as an institution. Im more worried about the kids getting the shaft.

-And pulling money out of the school system will help quality tremendously

Choice is very much needed.

-Like Hell it is.

Public schools need a kick in the ass. If they lose the good students who cares? They can just consolidate and be the educator of last resort.

-Yeah, screw those poor kids... who needs 'em anyway

Its a damn monopoly now anyways. Break it up. The schools are ****holes now, not because of lack of funding. But because of poor allocation of it. Adding new buildings yet neglecting aging books that still show 2 germanys.

-You're suggesting that monopolies are bad?

My dad grew up in a school with 500 kids in 8 rooms. Hardly any money for the teachers and even less for shiny buildings. Why is it people cant do that now?

-Because that building is now physically collapsing and needs replacing.

If private schools have better results, then so what. Its about the kids not about teachers unions and such

-So you want the rich kids to get a better education than they do now, the poor kids to get a worse one, and then we can have a sort of aristocracy based on money...

[Jon Miller]

-And pulling money out of the school system will help quality tremendously


who ever said to do this??


-Yeah, screw those poor kids... who needs 'em anyway


they are already being screwed

I an others just think that they need help


-So you want the rich kids to get a better education than they do now, the poor kids to get a worse one, and then we can have a sort of aristocracy based on money...

poor ones are already getting thte worst possible (ie none)

rich are already getting better

this will help the middle class and those poor who care about education

instead of the current situation where those groups get screwed

Jon Miller

[Victor Galis]

who ever said to do this??

-Vouchers cost money don't they? You don't expect to just make money materialize out of thin air do you?

they are already being screwed

-So just make their schools even worse?

I an others just think that they need help

-You wouldn't help them any by allowing the richer portion of the school to leave, leaving the poor trapped in even worse educational conditions.

poor ones are already getting thte worst possible (ie none)

rich are already getting better

-And so accentuating this trend is ok because it's already happening?

this will help the middle class and those poor who care about education

-You can care as much as you want, but these vouchers won't cover the cost of any private school, so you're just making it cheaper for the rich, and affordable for some middle class families who were barely out of reach.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Victor Galis


-Vouchers cost money don't they? You don't expect to just make money materialize out of thin air do you?

but who said that the money being used would have gone to a public school otherwise

Jon Miller

[Victor Galis]

Well, where would that much money come from? The government's already facing a deficit.

[faded glory]

So you want the rich kids to get a better education than they do now, the poor kids to get a worse one, and then we can have a sort of aristocracy based on money"

How would vouchers (which give poor kids the chance to go to private schools) do this? Please explain.....

"-Because that building is now physically collapsing and needs replacing"

Point is you dont need to throw even more money at a system that spends 2700 per head . Money is not the problem apparently.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
Well, where would that much money come from? The government's already facing a deficit.

where it always comes from

the deficit

that is where the education money is coming from in the first place

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

I sent you an email faded glory

Jon Miller

[Guynemer]

The problem, faded, has already been pointed out: the vouchers do not defray enough of the cost for low-income students to attend private schools. Essentially, this makes good press, and yes, technically, it is easier for a poor kid to attend a private school. BUT, he/she still needs to come up with the rest of the cash (fat chance), and they need to be accepted by the school in the first place (fatter chance).

I don't think it's unconstitutional. I just think it's not necessarily good policy.