Mohammed in Hell

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Why don't they draw their own picture and put the Pope in hell. Seems like a simple solution -- plus they can put in a few more demons and flames if they want...

Ughh, because they are Islamic? Could it be because pictures of people is against the religion?


Its not allowed Lincoln. Othodox Christians can't do it either.

[Lincoln]

I was joking.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by oedo
two atheists saying yes so far. doesn´t make much sense for me.

I am agnostic and say no.

I am atheist and I said yes.

I think that things like that promote religious bigotry and should be removed, or at least put into an objective, "clinical" setting (e.g. a museum).

[Ned]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

The former act seems an offense against any God's teachings

Seeing that he didn't have sex with her what does it matter?

Why do you say that?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Because he married her as an engagment type of thing (engagements really didn't exist in the Arab world then), and more for political purposes, IIRC. And I don't think they had any kids.

[Bosh]

Why don't they draw their own picture and put the Pope in hell.

There actually are a few pictures of Popes in hell in Renaissance cathedrals.

Seeing that he didn't have sex with her what does it matter?

The Koran says the marriage was consumated at age nine I think...

[JCG]

They should deface Mohammed's face, to please the Muslims obviously, and then sell it to a museum NOT in the USA or Middle East...

[Ned]

Originally posted by Hueij
Hm... I hope I won't forget to remind some of the people here of this thread when there is another outburst here when someone shows another painting in the near future of the Holy Virgin made of african elephant poop...

Or a crucifix in a jar of urine.

Works like these are publicly supported in the good 'ol US of A.

[Shadowstrike]

I say remove it, but ask the Muslims to make a similar gesture of goodwill towards the Christian community.

Stick it in an European art gallery.

[Faboba]

Devout christian italians have always been a little screwey. Why do you think the Pope's from Poland?

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Faboba
Devout christian italians have always been a little screwey. Why do you think the Pope's from Poland?

Possibly because 50 or so Cardinals decided that centuries of Italian Popes without a break was enough.

The phrase nowadays goes:

Is the Pope Catholic?

But it used to be:

Is the Pope Italian?

[SnowFire]

Seeing that he didn't have sex with her what does it matter?

Erm, being that she bragged about it, I find this rather doubtful.

Because he married her as an engagment type of thing (engagements really didn't exist in the Arab world then), and more for political purposes, IIRC. And I don't think they had any kids.

No, he married her because he saw her and decided that this is the woman for him. Then Gabriel came down and backed up his intuition and told him "marry away." Political purposes are null because she was the daughter of a blood brother/ brother-in-law/ something equivalent to a brother but not biological (forget what it actually was).

The Koran says the marriage was consumated at age nine I think...

No, some hadith reports say she did so. Something along married at 7, consumated at 9. The Koran doesn't ever mention her. It's pretty easy to remember too, being that the only woman the Koran ever refers to by name is Maryam, the mother of Jesus. For that matter, not too many contemporaries were refered to in general by name (Abu Lahab, Mohammed of course, and maybe 1 or 2 others).

As for whether Mohammed should be in hell, I'd say that even if I knew the exact details of his life, it would be for God to decide anyway. However, we don't know the details of his life. Best case, he's a saint; worst case, he's a psychopathic murderer and pedophile. This doesn't narrow things down very well.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Lincoln
I think that people should buy their own paint. After all, how much money did it cost to buy a pound of dung and a plastic statue of the virgin Mary?

The flap over this piece is ludicrous. Never mind that the artist who made it is a devout Catholic. Never mind that he considered his work as reverence for the Virgin Mary. Never mind that his use of elephant dung was in no way intended as a slur (hell, all pigments used to made with such natural material).

No, people just hear "Virgin Mary made from poop" and assume it's an attack on a religion. The people who made such assumptions (like Giuliani) only succeeded in making asses of themselves.

[DanS]

What is loosed on Earth is loosed in heaven and what is bound on Earth is bound in heaven.

[Faboba]

Originally posted by Ethelred


Possibly because 50 or so Cardinals decided that centuries of Italian Popes without a break was enough.

The phrase nowadays goes:

Is the Pope Catholic?

But it used to be:

Is the Pope Italian?

The good thing about Italians is, if you're bored you can devote as much time as you feel like to studying Italian politics and you'll still never understand it.

Their governmental system has no real purpose other than to make sure the communists never actually get control of the country.

The pope of the modern world is much less of a political figure than before but he still carries some political weight. No one in their right minds, upon seeing the Italian government, would let an Italian near the political arena if it could be helped.

Anyone who can understand Italain politics is much to devious to be trustable.