Liberals hard at work: Canada invents the telephone!

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
Simply put, a lot of the "rights" of citizenship are provisional based upon where you currently reside. It's almost like having a "Primary" and "Secondary" citizenship, at least with US/Canada.

Try telling that to Revenue Canada. There is no legal definition of "resident" under Canadian tax laws so the Revenue Canada can, but not necessarily tax the income I earn overseas even if I declare myself a non-resident.

It's a crazy ambiguous situation.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Try telling that to Revenue Canada. There is no legal definition of "resident" under Canadian tax laws so the Revenue Canada can, but not necessarily tax the income I earn overseas even if I declare myself a non-resident.

It's a crazy ambiguous situation.

http://www.wwicscanada.com/canans.html

Q: As a Canadian Citizen do I need to give income tax on income generated outside Canada?
A: Not in all cases. As a general rule you are only required to pay Income tax on income generated outside Canada if you reside in Canada. It is always advised to consult a taxation specialist regarding taxation matters.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

Q: As a Canadian Citizen do I need to give income tax on income generated outside Canada?
A: Not in all cases. As a general rule you are only required to pay Income tax on income generated outside Canada if you reside in Canada. It is always advised to consult a taxation specialist regarding taxation matters.

Note the words "GENERAL RULE."

According to Revenue Canada, "Residential ties in Canada include:
a home;
a spouse or common-law partner and dependants who stay here while you are living abroad; and
personal property, such as a car or furniture, and social ties.
Other ties that may be relevant include a Canadian driver's licence, Canadian bank accounts or credit cards, and health insurance with a Canadian province or territory."

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Note the words "GENERAL RULE."

Well, it appears I fall under this "general rule" so your point is entirely moot.

I will reiterate: The US government is not my government because I don't vote for it while I live in Canada, I don't pay taxes to it while I live in Canada, and I'm not subject to most of their tyranny.

Right now, the Canadian Government (as pathetic as it is) is my federal government. Not the American government.

Can you see that now? Or are you still going to be arrogant about it?

[Tingkai]

So you're back to sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "I'm right, I'm right, I'm right."

Don't worry, you're not the first American to reject your government and you won't be the last.

The funny thing is you're always bleating on about how great the US is, and how you want to move there as soon as you stop leeching off the Canadian education system, and now you're rejecting your connections to the US.

Why don't you just admit that this thread was just another one of your trolls aimed at trashing Canadians and the Liberal Party.

You trash the Liberals for a motion that was passed by MPs from all parties. You trash the Canadian government for doing something the Americans have done.

You're just a troll. (And if you're going to respond, try to come up with something better then "I'm not a troll, you are").

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
So you're back to sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "I'm right, I'm right, I'm right."

So basically what you're saying is you still don't get how I can view this as my government, and that there is an absolute right or wrong?

Don't worry, you're not the first American to reject your government and you won't be the last.

It's the Canadian one I'm rejecting, I'm just saying I'm not actually considering the American one my government since I'm, for all intents and purposes, a Canadian living in Canada. I still am an American with some responsibilities (perhaps the next Draft? ), but I'm not looking at that. You, apparently, are. Clued in yet?

The funny thing is you're always bleating on about how great the US is, and how you want to move there as soon as you stop leeching off the Canadian education system, and now you're rejecting your connections to the US.

The funny thing is how amazingly stupid you can be when you want to be right.
I'm just telling you I don't consider the American government to be my government when I don't pay taxes nor vote for them, which seems pretty damn fair to me, and you dig up obscure wording in Canadian tax laws that say, under certain extreme circumstances I may pay Canadian income taxes when living out of the country? WTF?

Why don't you just admit that this thread was just another one of your trolls aimed at trashing Canadians and the Liberal Party.

...trashing Canadians? How do you figure?
Trashing the Liberal Party? Yes. That should be obvious to everyone, and I've never denied that.

You trash the Liberals for a motion that was passed by MPs from all parties. You trash the Canadian government for doing something the Americans have done.

I trash the Liberals because that's what the article is about. I trash the Liberals because I hate the Liberals. I also said the US was being silly about it too, or did you miss that in your selective reading?

You're just a troll. (And if you're going to respond, try to come up with something better then "I'm not a troll, you are").

Well, at least you're getting smart to the point where you can realize it's you that is being the troll.

It's a simple "fun" thread and you come in here almost in tears (in your first post) and now you're off arguing semantics because I don't consider it to be MY government when I don't LIVE UNDER IT. Then you go off on how I'm renouncing my American citizenship or something silly.

You're a very silly man, Tingkai, if I didn't know better I'd think you were in junior high.

[Adalbertus]

To go on topic again, I want to mention that German Philipp Reis developed a telephone in 1863, but he was neither able to sell it nor to develop it into something really useful ... (as usual, and North Americans steal inventions ...)

[Asher]

And I really do wish Tingkai would stop blasting me for "leeching off the Canadian Education system". I'm willing to bet my family puts in far more money into the Canadian Education system than Tingkai, so his argument is totally confusing to me. Perhaps if we didn't pay Canadian taxes and went to Canadian-subsidized universities that'd be a valid argument.

Other than that it makes no sense.

[markusf]

Originally posted by Adalbertus
To go on topic again, I want to mention that German Philipp Reis developed a telephone in 1863, but he was neither able to sell it nor to develop it into something really useful ... (as usual, and North Americans steal inventions ...)

After WW2 they just stole all the scientists

[Tingkai]

Asher: why do always try to make simple things complex? This is quite easy to understand so I’ll explain it to you one last time: you are an American citizen therefore the American government is your government. You are also a Canadian citizen, therefore the Canadian government is also your government. The only way it ceases to be your government is if you renounce your citizenship. Simple, isn’t it?

Originally posted by Asher
you come in here almost in tears (in your first post)

I ignored this comment the first time you wrote it because it made no sense whatsoever. It still doesn’t make any sense. Just look at my first post:
“The Canadian troll speaks again. Funny how he claims dual citizenship, but now he claims that the US government is not his government. He wants the privileges of American citizenship without accepting the responsibilities.

“There is nothing “silly” about what parliament did. They spent a couple of minutes re-affirming what we know to be true. The House of Representatives is the one trying to re-write history using "new evidence" that has been in dispute for years.”

If you see tears, then the tears are in your eyes.

Originally posted by Asher
...trashing Canadians? How do you figure?

You have repeatedly trashed French Canadians and other eastern Canadians. You have stated that you think Canada is a cesspool. You have repeatedly stated that your goal in life is to get out of Canada as soon as you graduate from university.

You’re a leech on Canadian society because you only want to take advantage of a cheap education, and then high tail it to the U.S. once you graduate.

No one cares about how much your parents have paid in taxes. Everyone pays taxes. The question is what have you done in return for the benefits you received from living in Canada? What have you done for Canada?

Maybe you have made a worthy contribution, and if you have I’ll take back my comments, but the messages you have posted on this list only indicate that you are a spoiled brat.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Asher: why do always try to make simple things complex? This is quite easy to understand so I’ll explain it to you one last time: you are an American citizen therefore the American government is your government. You are also a Canadian citizen, therefore the Canadian government is also your government. The only way it ceases to be your government is if you renounce your citizenship. Simple, isn’t it?

The simple thing is that's opinion, and I disagree.
Country is not the same thing as government.

I'm not talking in a strictly literal sense, Tingkai, why can't you deal with that? I don't consider the US government to be my current government since I don't live there.

It's so very simple, but you enjoy being so very difficult.

You have repeatedly trashed French Canadians and other eastern Canadians.

In this thread? Where?

You have stated that you think Canada is a cesspool.

When?

You have repeatedly stated that your goal in life is to get out of Canada as soon as you graduate from university.

It's hardly my goal in life, Tingkai. A goal in life is something you set so at the end of your life you achieve it and feel all good about yourself.

I merely stated my intentions to leave the country after I graduate. Mainly to get away from people like you.

You’re a leech on Canadian society because you only want to take advantage of a cheap education, and then high tail it to the U.S. once you graduate.

No one cares about how much your parents have paid in taxes. Everyone pays taxes. The question is what have you done in return for the benefits you received from living in Canada? What have you done for Canada?

What has Canada done for me? I can already hear your trite little comments about how it gives me a democracy and gives us all these rights and free healthcare and free public education and all that crap. That's all well and good, but you also forget that I've basically been born and raised in Alberta. I've not seen the democracy been in action, everyone I've grown up around has basically been an expandable vote in the democracy. I was born in the middle of the NEP and the economic reprecussions lasted for many years after. I know all about Canada and its democracy, and I choose not to live here once I start making serious money.

I will not stand for my money to be spent the way Ottawa spends it. The only reason we moved back here from California was because my dad's company agreed to normalize his salary so that the higher taxes didn't matter in Canada. I probably won't get such a deal, so I'm going to join the masses in moving south.

If you've got a problem with that, don't ***** at me, ***** at your federal government. They're the ones I have a problem with.

Maybe you have made a worthy contribution, and if you have I’ll take back my comments, but the messages you have posted on this list only indicate that you are a spoiled brat.

My parents don't give me money. They have money, but I pay for my stuff myself. I'm "spoiled' in that I've got a roof over my head and they pay for food. They were both basically poor growing up, and have seen that the "spoiled brats" tend not to make something of themselves when they spend their lives living off daddy's money.

I pay my tuition (well, outside of scholarships which I'm still running on), I pay for my computers, I pay for movies and going out -- all of these I pay for with my own job.

I can't stand having you telling me I'm freeloading off the Canadian people by using the public universities while I live here while intending to move away. I don't have much choice, Tingkai. I can pay many times more to be an out of state university student to some US college, but how would I do that? I don't qualify for student loans. I can't afford to pay all of that without loans, what do you expect me to do? I can't get the state-subsidized rate since our family lives here. Deal with that. And considering how much money my family contributes in income taxes to the federal government, I'd think it's fairly safe to assume that even while staying here I'm a net benefit to the country. So **** off.

Since you're so pissed off about freeloaders, why don't you nuke Newfoundland and be done with it? Hypocrite.

[Richelieu]

Originally posted by Derek Meester
Oh, come on. The guy was obviously a Canadian. Even if he was born in Britain, we're all British (culturally) here anyway!

I am Canadian!!!

No we're not.

[Richelieu]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


You'd end up with France jr. right beside you. Are you sure you want that?

Confederation is all that stands between the present situation and one in which you've got to guard the border against Euro-style Red Brigades wearing berets and wielding Bren guns...

Who are you trollin' KH ?

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Quite possibly true. Still doesn't add up to actual significant loss of personnel, according to the study I saw. Obvious conclusion is that economic concerns may not be primary motivating factor for most...

From the St Petersburg Times

In 1986, the Conference Board of Canada found 3 percent of the country's natural scientists emigrated to the United States; by 1996 that had increased to 11 percent. The percentage of engineers leaving rose almost threefold and the percentage of doctors heading south shot up almost fivefold.

"Of eight Canadian babies who were born around the same time I was and who went on to win Nobel Prizes, seven of them did their prize-winning work in the U.S.," says Richard Taylor, an Alberta-born physicist and Nobel Laureate at California's Stanford University.

Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien has pooh-poohed reports of a brain drain, saying it is a myth perpetrated by big business to force the government into lowering taxes. While conceding that taxes are higher in Canada, Chretien insists that few Canadians want to live in the United States because there is so much crime "you cannot go into a park at night."

From statscan

During the 1990s, Canada suffered a net loss of skilled workers to the United States in several key knowledge-based occupations, according to an analysis of the migration of knowledge workers into and out of Canada.

What that article goes on to say is that the people who are leaving tend to be high income earners i.e. more senior while the immigrants who take their place in the stats are less senior.

[TCO]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Why don't you annex Tahiti and give it to us?

What else do you have that giant Navy for...

Now you're talking. We've already got some Carribean and South Seas properties. And could probably broker an acquasition of one of the ones we don't have...